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Some people will tell you, "Well ackshually it was for states' rights," but those states wanted to use those rights to enforce slavery.
It strikes me as like the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. Like, wow, you're totally right about the semantics, but at the cost of missing the point entirely.
Also the people kill people thing points to a need for widespread free mental health services which they definitely don't support.
In my area, they say they support it but in the same breath will say they don't believe in therapy or medications.
Source: my very Republican family
I know! Le'ts ban murder then! That'll fix it!
(oh wait...)
Honestly as a non american I always thought the point of that statement was that its not guns that kill people its the way you hand them out like candy with the barest excuse for any kind of safety evaluation that kills people.
No, it's the idea that people who are murderous will kill no matter what.. missing the point that it's harder for them to do that successfully if they don't have guns.
This is a very good argument for disarming the government.
The truth is that it's not that easy to get a gun in the USA. It's not difficult if you're prepared and are eligible but there are some barriers that will keep a portion of people from getting a gun if they aren't allowed to own one. The sad fact is, it's way too easy to get a gun illegally.
When I lived in South Carolina, I had a friend who needed quick cash, he had
: 4 handguns, : a long barrel rifle, : a cross bow, : a shotgun
He asked me if I knew anyone who may want to buy any of it, so I texted a coworker I thought might be interested.
He showed up with around $1500 in cash handed it to my friend, packed it all up in his car and drove away, they didn't even learn each others names.
The sale was completely legal, and took about 15 minutes.
In many states there are effectively NO barriers to stop people from getting a gun legally.
Dude. It's pretty fucking easy to get a gun. You walk into a store, say "I'd like that one please", they take your license and another form of id (literally could be a piece of mail), you fill out a form that says you aren't a felon like Donald Trump, on drugs like Hunter b, a non-citizen, etc, run the most cursory of cursory background checks, and they hand you the gun.
It can take like 10 minutes.
Its harder and takes much longer to get your car registered than to buy a gun.
The barriers are super low. And if you lie on the form, it's typically not something people can check/vet and is only used after the fact so people can say "but he shouldn't have gotten one,! He lied on the form!!"
Totally depends where you live. New York has some of the most comprehensive gun legislation in the world. It's essentially impossible to get a permit for concealed carry.
However, it's quite trivial to obtain a gun illegally, as one can see from the crime statistics. Even though your complaint about the lack of gun control is true in some states, it's obvious that even the most stringent gun regulations would have little to no effect on the availability of illegal firearms, which are disproportionately responsible for gun violence.
while it does depend on where you live, this thread started with a window licker saying "in the USA", which sets the bar pretty low. I mean between private sales and gun shows - it's pretty easy somewhere in the USA.
It should be literally impossible to get a concealed carry license anywhere in the world.
I can go to any weekend gun show and buy as many guns as i want from anyone there with no questions asked. It's harder to legally own one in several states, but getting a gun somewhere in the US is easy, and if you're driving back, it's not like the police have a gun radar to keep you from bringing them home.
Exactly. The Confederate States' Constitution explicitly mentions and regulates slavery throughout the document.
It was 100% about slavery.
Anyone who says "states' rights" without mentioning slavery is either an ignorant turd or a racist POS.
It is was not 100% about slavery. It's worse than that because it was also about the fear of treating black people like political equals, and black men having sex with their pure white daughters.
States rights to do what? (⌐▀͡ ̯ʖ▀)︻̷┻̿═━一-
People kill people with what? (⌐▀͡ ̯ʖ▀)︻̷┻̿═━一-
... and free states were forced to arrest and ship off people who'd escaped slavery.
Conservatives don't mean things when they say words.