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[Idea] If you don't want to see huge flags taking space over actual drawings in the Canvas, pick the biggest flag that you can find to deface.

As long as a lot of people are doing that, the ones templating larger flags will be forced to reduce their layouts and give more room for actual drawings.


[Reasoning] When it comes to country flags, I think that the immense majority of the users can be split into four groups:

  1. The ones who don't want to see country flags at all.
  2. The ones who are OK with smaller flags, but don't want to see larger ones.
  3. The ones who want to see a specific large flag taking a huge chunk of space.
  4. The ones who want to see the whole canvas burning, like the void.

I'm myself firmly rooted into #1, but this idea is a compromise between #1, #2 and #4.

Typically #3 uses numbers (and/or bots) to seize a huge chunk of the canvas to their flags. Well, let's use numbers against it then. As long as #1, #2 and #4 are trying to wreck the same flag, we win.


[inb4]

But what about identity flags?

Not a problem. They're typically bands instead of thick squares, and people drawing them are fairly accommodating.

But what about [insert another thing]

Even if [thing] is a problem, it's probably minor in comparison with huge country flags.

What should be the template?

None. We don't need one, as long as everyone is working against the same large flag.

Just draw something of your choice over the flag, preferably over its iconic features.

But I'm not creative enough for that!

No matter how shitty your drawing is, it's probably still way more original than a country flag. So don't feel discouraged.

That said, you can always help someone else with their drawing. Or plop in some text. Or just void.

Why are you posting this now, you bloody Slowpoke?

I wish that I thought about this before Canvas 2024. But better later than never. (And better early by a year for Canvas 2025.)


EDIT: addressing on general grounds some whining from group #3 (the ones who want to see a specific large flag taking a huge chunk of the canvas space).

You do realise that this sort of "war against the largest flag" should benefit even you, as long as the biggest flag is not the one you're working with, right? Even for you, this makes the canvas a more even level field. Let us not forget that you love to cover other flags with your own.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Man, then dont attend at all, dont troll, dont annoy others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As already discussed ad nauseam through the thread:

People who don't want those huge flags in the canvas have the exact same right to organise themselves and use the rules of the game to undo those flags, as the people who are making those flags. So cut off this "you either leave them alone or sod off" discourse, OK? That's what you're saying under different words.

Not even the void is trolling.

Annoyance in this sort of online game is part of the game, like it or not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But then the whole canvas is useless. If there just too many trolls then its no fun

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But then the whole canvas is useless.

Nope. The canvas is a game; what matters is not the end result, but the process. It's all about people organising themselves towards certain goals, that conflict with the others' goals, and how they solve it through cooperation and competition.

That's we were there on first place, even if copypasting random pixel art in Kolourpaint would be faster and easier.

If there just too many trolls then its no fun

Again, not even the void is trolling.

That said, having too much competition would make it unfun, but so is having too little.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is fair then when i just track your pixels down and just nullify your actions?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, even if I dislike the outcome. All is fair in love and war, and a good canvas should be a bit of both.

The issue that you might be noticing is on another level: perhaps we shouldn't know who placed a pixel, to avoid a group ganging up on an individual. I do not know.

(Still, what I'm proposing is not even remotely close to that. It's group vs. group.)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So mass harassment vs creator. Good, will tell that grant that this shouldnt be canvas rather KEEP OUT TROLLS canvas.

There should definitly show who placed a pixel to tell what troll placed it there, so you can just block him on the fediverse as you dont want to have contact with him ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So mass harassment vs creator.

Full stop here. That is not even remotely close to what I said, to what I implied, or to the consequences of either; by implying otherwise, you're being at the very least a liar, so cut off the crap.

If you had actual concerns regarding harassment (odds are that you don't), you'd do better if you raised them towards the people organising the event, to change its rules, than trying to boss participants around with a thinly disguised "fuck off unless you play the game in the way that I order you to play".

I'm not wasting my time further with you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I am not wasting here against a troll that wants just destroy everyone elses art.