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Am I the only one that finds it strange that all this shit with Russian hacks and the fascist uprising in America started quickly after Snowden was given asylum there?
Let's not fool ourselves here...there is no way if you or I were Putin he'd be allowed to stay without some of that info.
I mean the guy could have picked quite a few other places to go after committing treason that had non-extradition treaties with the US but he didn't.
And now thru back channeled manipulation Donald shit-his-pants Trump was elected president with that stolen info
It started with Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act. The timelines are so close together that it’s hard to separate, but I think that the Magnitsky Act was when the real motivation came in on the Russian side, and Snowden (and any possible additional fuckin with they were able to do because of intel they gathered from him; I won’t say you are wrong) came afterwards, as their efforts were just first starting to gather momentum. But I definitely remember that as of Snowden getting asylum, they were already heavily actively engaged in ways to fuck with us, in a way I don’t think they were prior to 2012.
It’s sad and ironic and displeasing. The Magnitsky Act was a very rare instance of the US doing something on the world stage that really was motivated at least in part by simple concern for human rights. And we paid the biggest price for it - up to and including this present godawful clusterfuck of a well-funded and -equipped GOP explicitly trying to destroy America and making pretty good progress on it so far - far more than any consequences we ever face for doing our standard war criminal geopolitical evil.
Thank you for describing it! I actually just made a joke comment with a list and included that but wasn't sure if people even remembered what that was. Glad to see some remember!
The dude sacrificed his comfortable life to tell us that the feds are violating the 4th amendment on a regular basis and you're calling him a traitor? Fuck you
I’ll only speak for myself; I don’t think Snowden was a traitor. The guy’s a fuckin hero. That’s not mutually exclusive with maybe him having to give up some intel once he’s in the clutches of the Russian government with maybe not a lot of options that wouldn’t lead to some real bad shit for him.
I feel bad for the guy. He 100% did the right thing, knowing ahead of time that he would get fucked for it, and now he’s fucked and has powerful powerful enemies, and no friends who can make any difference for him. If anything I was saying sounded like I was agreeing he was a traitor, I was not.
He didn't choose to go to Russia, he was forced to stay there
Julian Assange though is a different case altogether. He gave Russia intel directly
It’s like some Dante’s Inferno invention on behalf of some lemmy.ml user who says hey the US government does some bad shit and so I’m sure we can trust its enemies, how could they be any different or any worse
And then a few months later they are saying yes you were right I still don’t like slavery or aid to Israel but this is objectively INFINITELY worse than the things I had experienced so far
There’s a spectrum of maliciousness for governments. In general, I think trusting any of them to safeguard the rights of actual breathing humans is unwise. That doesn’t mean they’re all the same.
Bro, the Patriot Act happened right after 9-11 and it was right in there plain as day that the gov't would be listening to the interet traffic of everyone to save us from turrists.
And way way before that Ma Bell was known for giving access to the gov't to listen in on phone calls. You think Snowden is some oracle on that front?
I never called him a trator, I merely said it's coincidental.