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How many goddamn wars over this do we need (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Operation Paperclip: when we imported Nazis to run our government. Of course. Silly me. That's why the civil rights movement had its greatest successes and prominence right after WW2, because of all the fascists we decided to empower.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now that's what I call whataboutism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For pointing out that the mentioned operation has absolutely nothing to do with the mentioned issue - the US's supposed ideological embrace of fascism post-WW2?

"What about the fact that your point is completely irrelevant" isn't quite the usual definition of "Whataboutism", but you do you.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say anything about any "ideological embrace" operation paperclip shows that the US' supposed anti-fascist ideology wasn't quite as thorough as you make it seem.

The stuff about the civil rights movement was the whataboutism part.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I didn’t say anything about any “ideological embrace”

Oh, okay, so you're walking back your prior claims. Cool. Glad we're in agreement that claiming the US as fascist or 'fascist-adjacent' post-WW2 is ridiculous.

operation paperclip shows that the US’ supposed anti-fascist ideology wasn’t quite as thorough as you make it seem.

"Abducting specialists is fascism, and the more specialists you abduct, the more fascism it is"

The stuff about the civil rights movement was the whataboutism part.

"No, you CANNOT use examples of increasing liberalism in the US to counter claims of fascism in the US, that's whataboutism"

Okay, buddy. You have fun with that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wow dude you missed the point entirely.

I love how you pretend that a huge portion of the US didn't support and continue to support fascism and Nazis.

I mean you're peak willful ignorance and obtuse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I love how you pretend that a huge portion of the US didn’t support and continue to support fascism and Nazis.

Would you like to remind me about the support carried by the German-American Bund and the Silver Shirts, and compare that to literally any other political group in the US at the time?

(PROTIP: combined, they didn't even have a tenth of the membership of the CPUSA, which, itself, was a minor player in American politics of the period)