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[Serious] What's your hot take? (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Optimists are delusional

[–] agamemnonymous 11 points 5 months ago

Optimists are aspirational. The placebo effect is real, and pessimists use it counterproductively.

[–] hostops 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
  1. I like useful delusions.
  2. If you are optimistic for others you ancourage them to do stuf. Doing some stuff that may not work is 100000% better than watching Netflix/TV. Especially in current nihilistic social climate.
  3. Pessimist and optimist are both right (not my quote)
  4. Example: Pessimist: I will not get this job -> So I will not even apply -> 0% chance of getting a job -> 100% correct Optimist: I will get this job -> I apply and prepare -> 20% chance of getting this job -> 20% correct But who cares if you are correct. What matters is taking a chance. This comes way more useful if you are optimistic every day. So you apply for a job whenever there is a chance. And if you apply for 10 jobs from initial 20% you get 89% chance to get a good job.

Being naive is not the same as being optimistic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  1. Useful to who?
  2. I can tell you that overly optimistic people annoy me to no end, and even tend to have the complete opposite effect on me. Cheerleading, thoughts and prayers BS, rather than acknowledging the suckage that’s happening so we can act on it, doesn’t help me at all.
  3. Debatable
  4. One can perfectly be realistic about its chances at an interview/job and apply and perform well at it and get it regardless…

You seem to be equating realism with pessimism and immobilism, while equating optimism and action. Why?

[–] hostops 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  1. Optimistic person. And if saying "this idea might just work" encourages people you love to try things, then it also helps people you love.
  2. We could debate on what "overly" means. If you believe you will win the lottery this is just stupid and naive, but if you believe you can start a profitable restaurant this is not overly optimistic. Still you must not be stupid when trying.
  3. This is debatable. This statement is very broad.
  4. Correct if you are realistic and not pessimistic. My hot take should be formed: "People who claim are realists are most often just pessimists, who will pass all ideas as bad". Actually to continue from here we should exactly define all the words we are using. And in this case it would not be a hot take anymore. Also I believe to decide to try and take interview you must feel optimistic about it instead of pessimistic.

My hot take is targeting "realists" who say: "Your idea is bad. Do not pursue it. I am just being realistic." Even though their idea has maybe small but fair chance of succeeding. This is just discouragement - which is more often seen in pessimists.

Actually at this point I do not even know enough about words and definitions to continue.

I think we should actively try to encourage each other to act, also by believing in others ideas (still do not believe in winning the lottery).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I can definitely agree with this last formulation. But I don’t agree that I need an optimistic outlook into something to do said thing.