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For like 80 years, the west prepared for war with Russia. Russia played the long, quiet game and just parasitized our politics, and our economies. They’re winning without ever firing a shot. It’s impressive, albeit infuriating.
Russia hasn't done nearly as much damage as the capitalist class in America has.
Yet
Nah. Absolutely overhyped.
Europe shrugged at the Nazis just like that
My dude I'm far more worried about America's actual Nazis. Russia is just a distraction.
Russia has had dramatic political influence in this country for a very long time now. If you’re not worried about that as well, then you’re extremely naive, my guy.
Yeah, they've been stirring up the local Fascists who are a much bigger problem.
Sure, but NOWHERE near as much or as bad as under-regulated capitalism, which has taken over the entire government and caused the needless deaths of tens if not hundreds of millions in the US alone, billions worldwide.
And that's not even counting the even greater numbers that it has left alive but perpetually struggling and suffering!
Do we really need to debate which country's Nazis are the worst?
Putinism vs bipartisan right debate on lemmy?
You give Russia too much credit.
Europe and USA put themselves on this situation all by their own stupidity.
Also greed
That's right, there were no flaws in the political system invented 250 years ago and only outside actors in the last 20 years led to a conservative party vs a fascist party.
At no point was I suggesting that we haven’t caused many of our own problems. I’m simply saying that Russia is exploiting those problems for their own benefit.
That's kind of my point. The US is the problem with our political system. Russia is a factor, but they exacerbated division that was already present. It's actually ridiculous to try and frame it as a problem that wouldn't have appeared if Russia stayed out of our business.
I think we’re (trying) to say the same thing.
If that's the case, then my bad. I may have read into your comment too much.
Russia is neither winning nor is their disinformation campaigns that successful. This is because despite their best efforts, when they needed their propaganda to work the most, it backfired and the west is more united than ever. Not only that but the country is basically wrecked due to the invasion of Ukraine
They put one of their assets in the White House, and you think they’re failing? They might do it a second time for fucks sake!
Russia isn't exactly benefiting from its investments is the point I'm making
France on the verge of an extreme right takeover
Germanys AfD party making significant gains
Substantial foreign influence in the legislative and executive branches of US Politics
By all means, please continue to ignore the signs. “It can’t happen here”, right?
Those parties aren't gaining ground because of Russia. Russia is definitely an influence, but they're not the reason these parties are winning. They're gaining ground because the establishment parties are failing people and these parties are the only alternative they have. We've seen such parties win in Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc but nothing really changed foreign policy wise.
So just “no big deal”. Got it.
In terms of Russian interests? Pretty much
You are so full of shit dude. Or completely blind. Maybe both.
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If he is Russian asset, can I sell his ass?
He is corporate asset. A tool to strengthen neofeudalism.
And a documented Russian puppet.
A Putin's puppet. Yes.
Holy fuckin jingoism
So you believe they’ve had zero effect on current events? I don't advocate for the belief of American or western superiority.
Criticizing a specific country isn't jingoism. JFC learn what words mean.
Lol
What? Modern Russia exists for 33 years. 80 years ago certain parlamentary union was so upset at nazis, that it destroyed them.
Also 80 years ago for that parlamentary union the lefter politician was - the better. For Putin it's opposite.
The swing right is a rejection of globalism by the people more than Russia being some amazing propaganda source. Blaming Russia absolves the globalists from responsibility though.
(((Globalism))), right?