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But both sides are the same.
God damn it, i wish Clinton had won so bad. It would be the exact opposite and corporations wouldn't be getting this free reign. Fuck.
I wish Gore had won, every other headline wouldn’t be about the impending climate doom and what we’re not doing to stop it
Oh wait, he DID win and the fucking court stole it
Don't forget that 3 of the current justices (Barrett, roberts, kavanaugh) were on bush's legal team in 2000 Bush vs Gore
FL would've been a landslide and the courts wouldn't have even been asked if the greens voted for Gore.
I wish the democrats didn’t force her, the candidate that was predicted to be weakest against Trump and the only one likely to lose, through the primary with every trick they could. The democrats tried to skew and steer their own voters and we all lost because of it.
The only one likely to lose? I think you have your facts confused on that one.
I don’t. She was predicted to be the weakest against Trump during the primaries.
You're going to have to prove that. I want to see numbers.
Bernie consistently had better projected general election margins during the primary. https://web.archive.org/web/20160217041242/http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
Yes that's nice, it was not the assertion though so I don't know why you're supplying it.
What exactly is the distinction between "weakest against Trump" and "had worse polling margins against Trump?" If you specifically want to dial in on the 'likely to lose' claim that isn't what you were asking for in the comment I replied to.
She demolished sanders in the primary. Get over it. The belief that she only won because of some dirty tricks or that sanders was screwed is just nonsense. I wish he had won, and i voted for him, but unfortunately reality tells a much different story. This belief he was screwed is no different than the belief that trump was screwed in 2020.
The delegates all predicated their votes to make it look like Hillary had already won before the elections even started
So you are saying that millions of people were swayed by super delegates? It was extremely early, NH early, that people started getting pumped that sanders could win. The media hyped up the race despite it never being close.
It's grasping at straws to claim that this is why she demolished him.
The race started with Hillary having a commanding lead because the superdelegates were allowed to pre vote. It was clearly intended to manipulate the voters. Let’s not feign ignorance.
She demolished him in votes. You take super delegates out, she still destroys him.
Pretending that you know that it was meant to influence the voters is nonsense, but pretending that this actually swayed enough that it might have made it even close is just downright ridiculous.
You’re just being purposely obtuse. If you see that she already has a commanding lead before the first vote is cast then you might just not vote if you prefer someone else. Hillary was the DNC’s person and they did what they could to give her advantages.
Projection. Find me one person who didn't vote because of the superdelegates or voted a certain way because of the superdelegates. After that we can discuss whether or not we think it's reasonable to believe it may have swung in 12 points.
Certainly she was their person, but there is scant evidence that they did anything to make this happen. The emails would have revealed a whole lot more if that was the case. Remember, one of the worst things that came out of the emails that was a focal point of the complaints, was saying mean things about sanders. Thats how bad it was. Mean things. Maybe this is all "they could to give her advantages" but if that's the case then the whole argument is silly.
This is a deeply unpopular take but it's the correct one. I caucusef for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020 and the amount of Hilary/Biden supporters to Bernie supporters in both respective years was dishearteningly high.
The only people who show up for primaries and caucuses are predominantly white, Christian heterosexuals of retirement age.
They're absolutely fucking terrified of anything remotely approaching progressive policy and they'll never, ever let us run anyone who doesn't make them feel safe with all their old white money.
Yeah, the early primaries really do benefit establishment democrats, and it seemingly painted a damning picture for Bernie. I think if we had synchronized primaries, this benefit would be much smaller and Bernie would've had a significant shot.
Bernie was such a good surprise candidate, but that only happened because Warren didnt run. I wish she did. I think that was her time and would have avoided some of the criticisms (whether fair or unfairly thrown) at Bernie.
One of the earliest was NH, which he did very well in, and which gave rise to "sanders has a chance!" And really shocked everyone.
He probably did way better because he was hyped as having a legitimate shot after that, he even though it clearly wasn't the case.
She demolished him. The order of the voting had little to do with it, if not possibly even helping him.
TBH with how Obama treated Netanyahu versus Trump admin backing single state solution: I bet the war on the Gaza Strip wouldn't be happening, either. Not at the same scale, at least.
FTFY.
Literally all of these have been a long ideological lines. Do you really think she would have appointed conservatives? Are "muh both sides"ers really this out of touch with reality?