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Do you think people would be okay with 'Recall' if Apple did it? (discuss.tchncs.de)
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With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?

Do you trust apple with their claims?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What that Apple does is Open Source? This is the first time I've read this.

[–] NGC2346 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Swift, Webkit, Researchkit, Carekit, FoundationDB, CUPS, Darwin, LLVM and Clang, SwiftNIO, Turi Create, Homekit ADK,

Its one thing to be against a product but its essential to be well informed and not base our perceptions on biased informations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with all of them, but I know several of them are tools. Isn't it in apple's best interest to open source the tools if people use and improve them, and subsequently it means they get more money from the app store? And if these are the only things they open source, they still have a tight fist on the vast majority of their code base.

While on the subject of apple and FOSS. They may open source some tools, but do they give back to other projects? I.e. does apple push upstream? Substantially less than google and ms. And I would go so far to say almost never.

[–] NGC2346 1 points 5 months ago

You're diverging from the main subject from what is open source to what you find acceptable behaviour from a corporation, which i do not involve in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup, that's why I asked. I still hate Crapple and everything they stand for, but this is good data to start doing some in-depth research. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn hating a product. You are damaged man.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Who says I am a man? Just kidding, I am. I do hate Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta and every other company out there that operate business on a predatory model. Am I damaged? Absolutely, at so many levels it's hard to count them. But that makes me just human, as you will find there is not 1 single human out there that is not damaged at some or other. On the brighter side, I am doing what I can to heal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Darwin. Their BSD and the foundation of MacOS and therefore all the current OSes they produce.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I have heard of Darwin, and went back to read up on it to refresh my memory. While it is considered open source, it is also useless unless it is used for Apple's closed source operating systems, as can be appreciated in this explanation:

In the beginning, Apple used to make Darwin available as a separate OS, including compiled binaries, installers, ISOs, etc. that you could install on Apple hardware. However, for many years now, Apple only provides a source code dump, every time a new release of macOS comes out. It isn't even possible to compile this source code, because it depends on Apple's internal build tools and build pipeline. There have been some projects trying to patch Darwin to compile it with publicly available tools, but those projects have all died from lack of interest.

Open Source should be compilable and able to be used, at least that's my perspective, and I just may be wrong.

Here's the article this came from on StackExchange:

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/401832/why-is-macos-often-referred-to-as-darwin

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that's just the kernel. Anything above that (window manager, the utilities that they didn't outright copy from BSD, apps, ...) is basically closed source.