You identify a problem, you then call the attention of your family, friends and peers and really anyone who will listen to your rantings and ravings. After which if enough people support your claim to give confidence of legitimacy, you voice your concerns to authority. Or governing body or anyone that has been designated for the responsibility of resolving issues that arise within the realm of the aforementioned wrinkle in the rug. Only in the direst of need would would you and your conglomeration of dissatisfied citizenry shout, picket or otherwise raise a ruckus to your needs but life is such that needs be great at times. Go figure.
No, typically your movement starts with a letter campaign, phone calls and emails. If you're real lucky you might get a tête-à-tête with someone and if you're doubly lucky, on your way to resolution. It doesn't go down like that for most causes, most of the time it's all but ignored. Fear not seekers of change there is a way to avoid a fizzle out, get more people to join. Of course you could jump straight to hard disruption of daily life but letter writing, emails and phone calls are considered good places to start. Needs be great though and ignorance is willful and bliss. About now is a good time for ye ol' controlled rabble rousing... (it's a joke) but good intentions don't account for the actions of others though property damage doesn't trump a just cause. The bill on justification will come due and I expect to be satisfied. Feelings on rainbows don't meet my admittedly meager standards on letting your opinion be known, not that anyone asked.
There's not much recourse for your average person if the effects of your stance did not sway affections, unless that person is a multi-billion dollar corporation (cuz come on guys, corpos are people too) then you just drown the problem in money until it's buried or washed away to become someone else's problem. Most people are left with a problem unresolved and a pain in their chest that's not from the cuts, bruises or contusions that can accompany making your displeasure publicly known.
I would like to take this moment to tell you how stupid anyone is that intends to create change with the destruction of life that is not their own. I make an exception for self-immolation. If you believe in your cause so strongly that your only option is to extinguish your own flame in a dazzling display of sheer will. You get my respect for your force of determination if not your cause. The only 72 things anyone else gets though is in being blasted to 72 different dimensions of pain and shrapnel and good riddance too.
That is all to say that if you can't pay and you won't choose violence what other avenue is left to pursue?
Stop the machinations that allow people to remain willfully ignorant of the problem. I am sorry that you might be late to work, I'm sorry that couldn't get your triple pump whateverthefuck you're getting in a cup that makes you feel like the emptiness inside isn't so vast, I'm sorry you were delayed running those errands. I'm sorry for your death during a cardiac episode stuck in traffic. I am sorry. But to the point where your life has to stop in its tracks so you will listen, it's important. Some person decided to put their own life in danger to warn you that your own and those around you are also in danger. I'm not saying it is not a bitter pill.
Let us not forget that all of this is predicated on the assumption that when the piper cometh those ends were indeed justified by the means. What constitutes a worthy reason is beyond the purview of the arguments I'm laying forth. As for the eggs that are gonna get cracked, I don't mourn the loss of property only loss of life. In the many words I have used, I am saying that there is a reason the right to free speech and assembly are enshrined in places around the world and I believe in that reason. Whether or not those rights are protected in an equal and fair manner is a whole different can of worms.
tldr; I wrote this for amusement and for the play on words, doesn't mean I don't believe it. By default I care more about my own bodily waste than I'm going to care about your reactionary opinion. Exceptions will be made for adding to the conversation, upgrade to better-than-what-I'm-scooping-out-of-the-litter-boxes-at-home levels of interest.
I thank you for joining me in this ramble. Have a wonderful day.
edit: just want to give a couple special shoutouts, I won’t name names but you’ll know if I’m talking about you. First, to my peeps that are taking this personally, offensively or otherwise as an insult; fucking good, you need to face uncomfortable topics more often and I’m glad I could be there for you and share in this together. Second, to my peeps who found themselves vindicated in their original positions; the same to you as the first group. This has absolutely been my pleasure so thank you if you voted or voiced an opinion. Going to sleep for now but if you call me back to this topic with something good I’ll try to catch you in the morning.
Good post. I completely disagree with this opinion. Stoping traffic and holding up the lives of ordinary people is attacking the wrong target. We’re all out here in traffic, not because we want to be, but because we’re struggling to survive. Not all of us are on a frivolous trip to star bucks mate. Take your grievances to the court house, city hall, or a police station, hold up those people’s lives, shout at them. I have to pick up my kids before the daycare closes. Don’t protest at me, I’m not the one voting on legislation that keeps people in debt, funds foreign wars, and keeps people from having access to healthcare. Those of us stuck in traffic are not willfully ignorant of any of these problems, we’re just fucking helpless to do anything about them because the system is designed to keep us that way. Protesting on highways doesn’t accomplish what I assume is your goal, to educate people and get them to agree with you. It just makes them not like you and not want to support you in your cause.
The difference is that sit in's were directly related to what they were protesting against.
Shutting down highways to protest oil, shutting down campuses to protest funds going to violence, shutting down businesses that profit from settler colonialism…
…these are all directly related. It’s concerning that you don’t know this.
How does shutting down a highway punish oil companies? It hurts the person just trying to live their day. You want to punish oil companies? Block their trucks, not your average person. Oil companies couldn't give less of a fuck about a random blocked highway.
same way sit-ins punished racist politicians: it doesn’t.
it's important to remember: protest is not about punishment, it's about sending a message. if you're seeking punishment, direct action might be more appropriate. protest is all about spreading awareness and making a statement. not punishment.
How is blocking highways sending a message! Who is listening?
It's sending the message that we are going to make a bunch of cars idle and burn even more oil. Oil companies rejoice!
lol exactly. Oil execs and investors are laughing at the idea of someone targeting the working class instead of them.
apparently not you :) try harder. enjoy your day.
You're the kind of person who is in it for show and not effective change. You'll never convince me blocking random traffic is more effective than blocking oil business directly. Enjoy the day.
The thing is there have been protesters that demanded their campus stop funding Israeli research, and some of those campuses weren't even doing that in the first place, but they still had to contend with protesters. Defacing museum work doesn't make people think "oh, now I'll stop burning oil".
Yes, some of those protests are at least relevant, but there's quite a few protests that are doing their causes no favors.
if that was even a minorly significant proportion of any movement i would care
i am never going to tone police the larger movement for the sins of a margin when the intentions involved include saving the lives of children and the future of their planet 👍
as soon as you find yourself in the place to bring your concerns to the leadership of a poorly-acting protest community, i highly recommend it. but doing so broadly and with no target is nothing more than concern trolling.
You know the goal is not to educate but to apply pressure sometimes. Everyone feels if an inner city is continually and or randomly brought to a standstill even in part. The point is to hurt, and if things stand still you just sit there in your car while the business and government around you start to lose "productivity" or in other words control. If this is done enough they have to change their behavior because we will keep going and they will continue to lose control. That's the hope at least. And for climate specifically what good does the childcare do if the world your children grow up in stays on it's current course on climate. I sorta assume you know all this as well. It's fine for you to want to live your life and for stuff to be annoying, just don't disparage those who just want to lash out because lashing out is a perfectly reasonable reaction. Not for you maybe, but for the once that have that reaction right now, know they are fighting for you as well.
What I’m saying is don’t lash out at me. I’m not the problem. Organize in a Walmart parking lot if you want to lower “production”. You don’t think that if you protest and block people from entering a court house that you won’t be on the news? Take your complaints to the people you’re complaining to. As for the climate, I’m an electrical engineer. I push for solar power on every project I’m involved in and get it to happen about 80% of the time. I’m doing what I can to actively work on the problem, so please don’t protest on the highway and let me get to work.
Lashing out is by default at everything, there isn't target selection really, because if you select specific targets you open yourself up to increased resistance.
There is nothing left other than that this need for change, and that you have some bodily power to fight for it.
You are trying to argue on civility, cooperation, and still raising awareness, the protesters have determined there is no civility, and there is no one listening and acting on it, so why should they care. They specifically are complaining to everyone, maybe they specifically want to hurt, damage, or sabotage everything.
The highway might be the most destructive target depending on where you are, precisely because people like you who cost 100s of dollars per hour, and shipments, and everyone is stuck. Like the defect is diffuse, but you should know that the more you control the more it ultimately hurts if things go wrong (not in the bodily but financial sense).
It's great that you do what you can and you likely have a lot more power if you can push for things within the structures you are in, but you must realize their ultimate power is in their bodys and in what destruction they can cause with them, because they don't have those structures, that agency, but of course not the pressure and work that comes with it either.
The Walmart parking lot shuts down 1 Walmart, the courthouse 1 courthouse, the right street shuts down 10s maybe hundreds of places (at least partially), it binds more police and personnel, and it's hard for the city to prepare for. It's the right move if your mindset is to cause damage, which I think is just as reasonable as trying to use the power you have inside of the systems that already exist, especially for people that don't have that much power.
What I'm trying to say is maybe you understand how you percive the world, but there is legitimate ambiguity and differences of circumstance that lead to also completely normal, but different from yours, perceptions of the world, and that maybe instead of trying to defend yourself you just might need to accept that. Like there should be room to have compassion even for people that don't have compassion for you because they are still human beings.
Haha, ok buddy.
I respect your positioning but to arrive at my conclusions these beliefs had to be abandoned. Obviously that seems irrational and insane but I’ve never had a good claim on reason or sanity. It’s a constant struggle of whether I’m the crazy one or if everyone else are the ones with the cracked marbles. Only experience has forced me away from what is normal and accepted and I wouldn’t wish the strife that molded me on anyone else but it’s not my fault that human nature’s best teacher is misery.