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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yup, the AI models are currently pretty dumb. We knew that when it told people to put glue on pizza.

That's dumb, sure, but on a different way. It doesn't show lack of reasoning; it shows incorrect information being fed into the model.

If you think this is proof against consciousness

Not really. I phrased it poorly but I'm using this example to show that the other example is not just a case of "preventing lawsuits" - LLMs suck at basic logic, period.

does that mean if a human gets that same question wrong they aren’t conscious?

That is not what I'm saying. Even humans with learning impairment get logic matters (like "A is B, thus B is A") considerably better than those models do, provided that they're phrased in a suitable way. That one might be a bit more advanced, but if I told you "trees are living beings. Some living beings can bite. So some trees can bite.", you would definitively feel like something is "off".

And when it comes to human beings, there's another complicating factor: cooperativeness. Sometimes we get shit wrong simply because we can't be arsed, this says nothing about our abilities. This factor doesn't exist when dealing with LLMs though.

Just pointing out a deeply flawed argument.

The argument itself is not flawed, just phrased poorly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

LLMs suck at basic logic, period.

So do children. By your argument children aren't conscious.

but if I told you "trees are living beings. Some living beings can bite. So some trees can bite.", you would definitively feel like something is "off".

If I told you "there is a magic man that can visit every house in the world in one night" you would definitely feel like something is "off".
I am sure at some point a younger sibling was convinced "be careful, the trees around here might bite you."

Your arguments fail to pass the "dumb child" test: anything you claim an AI does not understand, or cannot reason, I can imagine a small child doing worse. Are you arguing that small, or particularly dumb children aren't conscious?

This factor doesn't exist when dealing with LLMs though.

Begging the question. None of your arguments have shown this can't be a factor with LLMs.

The argument itself is not flawed, just phrased poorly.

If something is phrased poorly is that not a flaw?