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Good lord what is wrong with the people in this thread. The guy is literally owning up to the hard limitations of LLMs. I'm not a fan of him or Google either, but hey kudos for being honest this once. The entire industry would be better off if we didn't treat LLMs like something they're not. More of this please!
He's not owning up. He's dismissing.
Pichai acknowledges the problem (how could you not, it's obvious the problem exists), but in a way that basically goes "Yeah, but it's cool, nothing is prefect", shrug, smile.
The part of the problem he's pointedly not acknowledging is this; if the answers generated by this system are so unreliable that we have to double check them every time, using traditional research methods, what is the point of having the AI there in the first place?
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That's fair, but that doesn't appear to be the rationale by most commenters here. I think your point of view is much more constructive and opens up some interesting discussion topics rather than circle jerking over "google CEO bad".
I think the reason Google didn't release their AI before OpenAI did is precisely for this type of issue. OpenAI is now forcing their hand, because often it's not about the best product that wins, but rather the one that got to market first. I feel like what we're seeing now is less about these companies trying to release a product that they strongly believe has user value, but rather it's about these companies creating some sort of foothold such that by the time they figure out what the actual product is they still have some capacity to sell it.
I seriously wonder how the industry would look if OpenAI had not played their hand so soon. Obviously the technology would've arrived regardless, but perhaps the packaging would've been different enough that the miss-understanding around the technology wouldn't be so widespread.
Going back to my original point, it feels like most commenters here are still miss-understanding the technology, because there isn't anything to fix. Making LLMs smarter is impossible, it's inherently "dumb".
But it's not an isolated R&D project. They're rolling it out in general search. If I have a promising new braking technology, but which still only works well 48% of the time, I'd keep working on it but not put it in production vehicles.
I think @[email protected] has the right idea on how to handle this type of issue. Hopefully they will improve the messaging around this, because I'm getting really tired of explaining to people how what we have is not true AI.
Honestly though this is nothing new for Google, they've been providing answers and web results with false information since their inception. You as a user will always need to do some vetting, Google is never going to be able to give you fully accurate information. They're just sending you to places that may contain more information on the topic you're searching for. Or at least, that's how you should use them.
I swear I'm not just trying to start an argument, but I don't see the disagreement here. You're saying people here are too negative, but people aren't shitting on the idea of LLMs, but the over promising of what they can do. You're tired of explaining that it's not true AI, but the confusion of caused by Google calling it "AI Overviews."
You say it's nothing new and that we've always had to vet sources when Google sends us somewhere, which is true, but the Overviews aren't sending people anywhere, they're summarizing and trying to give you an answer. They do link to sources for now, but the end goal is clearly that we trust the summary without following the links.
People who are listening to and parsing his comments are not the same people who will be blindly consuming these "AI Overviews." It's a problem.
I'm saying most of the time people are correctly complaining about the over-promising that's happening around AIs. Now here's an example of a CEO acknowledging the limitations, and yes; perhaps still over-promising on some degree. But the fact that we're seeing actual acknowledgement of the limitations is a positive thing. Change doesn't happen overnight, but this is a step in the right direction.
I say all this as someone with a strong distaste of modern google. I actively avoid their services as much as reasonably possible. I've tried their AI and found it to be more trouble than it's worth (what the hell is that control panel). But I can still recognize a positive change when I see one, my distaste of the company doesn't change that.
IMO these issues are mainly with the interface / how the AI summaries are presented.
The issue with incorrect answers like the glue on pizza one isnt "hallucination". The LLM is pulling that info from an existing webpage (The Onion). The thing they need to change is how that info is portrayed. Not "one tip is to use glue", but rather "the satirical site the Onion says to use glue".
Hallucination should be combatted by the fact that the AI cant show a proper source for facts it made up itself.
Eating rocks came from The Onion. Putting glue on pizza was one random ass comment from over a decade ago on reddit by a dude named fucksmith
My bad. Doesnt change what I mean though: the AI should not say "it's also great to put glue on the pizza" - it should either not reference that at all or say "fucksmith on reddit recommends glue on pizza".
Not saying it changes it...saying its even crazier lol
I think you nailed it. That's exactly why I want more of this type of conversation. Before we can innovate we have to acknowledge the limitations of the technology.