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[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Gets complicated when you have empathy for plants too. ๐Ÿ‘€

[โ€“] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Raising non-human animals ends up taking more plants anyway because they eat a lot of feed who's energy is mostly lost. So if one were concerned with plants, eating plants directly results in fewer plants being killed

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

If your goal is to minimize the overall harm to plants through your own consumption the most ethical thing to eat is people.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Billionaires ๐Ÿคค

[โ€“] Lucidlethargy 9 points 2 months ago

In glad we got to the bottom of this. People. People is the right answer, everyone.

That's a load off my mind! Let's start a company. Maybe we can name it after what we're saving. Something like... Soylent green?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Only if they are consenting?

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Fungus are most of the time the reproductive organs popping up through the ground from an enormous hidden underground super organism. So, in affect, if you enjoy eating mushrooms you are actually enjoying the fungus's cock and balls.

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

I was already sold on it before.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

But see, the fungus can communicate too.

I guess it's down to butthole sunning and air to sustain ourselves.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are as alive as the plants. But maybe mushrooms, like fruit, are intended to be eaten, to spread the spores. ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ„

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As others have mentioned, eating fruits and fungi donโ€™t kill the organism, and per my understanding itโ€™s the same for vegetables where you pick something off the plant to eat

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But if that were the argument, then you don't need to be vegan, but vegetarian. Milking a cow doesn't kill it.

I personally think that the animal exploitation argument is the strongest for veganism or vegetarianism, not any of the ones appealing to some naturalistic rule or that no organism should be exploited. Yes, animals provide humans a very efficient nutritional source that plants can't give us, but a) we stopped eating the majority parts of animals that are not meat, and b) that doesn't justify animals raised in cruelty, without any regard for their wellbeing, standing in their own feces all day and so on.

Our current scientific understanding of plants is that since they don't have a nervous system, they can't feel pain. And that while they react to stimuli (facing the sun for example) they don't exhibit any form of consciousness. Unfortunately there have been more and more claims to the contrary, but not backed up by studies.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have some bad news for you about the dairy industry in that they very much do kill cows. Cows producing milk requires producing constantly impregnating them. That means a lot of babies, only some of which are female and produce milk. They're seperated from their mothers and if male, killed because they're seen as waste (and would use the cow's milk because that's who the milk was meant for). Then female cows are also still usually killed after there milk production begins to decline because they're less profitable

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yes: it's the exploitation that have us kill the cows, not the actual milking. I know some people that are vegetarian but only get their products from a local farm. This is of course very expensive and not an option to many, but it would still be consistent with the moral stance against exploitation.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

they aren't constantly pregnant, and the vast majority of even male calves are brought to full weight before slaughter.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I complete agree that veganism is about reducing animal pain, suffering and exploitation. Personally, I think if youโ€™re taking care of your chickens and cows like theyโ€™re almost pets, then thereโ€™s nothing wrong with eating eggs or drinking milk. Thatโ€™s how my ancestors used to get their produce, from their own chicken or cow, which were treated well and humanely. They didnโ€™t eat the meat of those animals, but other animals though ๐Ÿ‘€ I want to be vegan eventually, but I like the idea of symbiotic and humane relationships with other animals

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It is the exploitation that's wrong. That goes for animals as well as plants. If we can avoid that then things would be a lot better

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[โ€“] Lucidlethargy 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Plants never complain, unlike all of us whiny primates. In a way, they could be far more moral creatures than anything else we're aware of.