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Why are we wasting our server bandwidth on shit takes? (midwest.social)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Man, I’m sittin’ here saying that Israel is committing one of the greatest crimes of the 21st century. I’ve called it a genocide, I’ve said even passive support of it is a stain on America’s collective soul, I’ve advocating for boycotts, removal of ALL aid, just about everything short of a no-fly zone over the AO - and fucking honestly, if the ongoing conflict in Ukraine wasn’t a current concern, I’d be advocating for that too.

and then you're saying "but i'll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i'll get all my friends to commit to eating it too"

But when it comes down to it

Woops, you've already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn't all that strong, if you're eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

and then you’re saying “but i’ll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i’ll get all my friends to commit to eating it too”

Because the alternative is the genocide buffet. Have you already forgotten that?

Woops, you’ve already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn’t all that strong, if you’re eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.

Cool, instead the backup chef comes out. It's Trump. Genocide buffet, including the sandwich we rejected. So glad that we've made things worse for no gain. Great job, us. Maybe a little circlejerk before we're taken out and executed will lift our spirits.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cool, instead the backup chef comes out

Then let's fucking storm the kitchen then? idk why you're so eager to dismiss doing literally anything else before being made to eat the genocide. All i'm doing is screaming "I DON'T WANT TO EAT GENOCIDE! LET'S GET HIM TO CHANGE THE MENU A BIT", and you're like 'lol nah man, you're embarrassing yourself, better to just get everyone to calm down and get ready to eat it'

At least i'm fighting it a little, jesus (ha)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Then let’s fucking storm the kitchen then?

Are you actually ready to do that?

Obviously you don't have to answer, but if you are not ready to do that, or you think that it will end in failure, then harm reduction is the only moral choice.

If you're ready to fight and die for a better world, if you think peace has run its course, if you think only political violence can resolve the issue and that the resulting death toll will be less horrific than the currently proposed one, then by all means. But if you are not ready - if you think the polity is not ready, if you think there are other, preferable routes to explore, if you think the death and suffering will be worse than either of the current options - you must sit down and bite the bullet.

I'm not of the opinion that a long and bloody civil war which has a high chance of resulting in one or several fascist states in the former USA arising while our allies themselves struggle with emerging far-right movements inspired by the violence in the USA and the provocation of far-right states in the world is worth me expressing moral disgust with support of a genocidal state at this point in time. The calculus of suffering there is horrendously lopsided, and not in favor of starting a civil war. If it's Biden, complete with support of a genocide, or civil war, I pick Biden as the choice which causes the least human suffering.