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He doesn't realize that US military funding of Israel has been paused many times - including by Biden - as a lever to try to force change. That funding is the leverage we have over Israel. Fully halting it eliminates that leverage, and then what?
Also, the GOP has put forward legislation to remove the ability of the president to pause those deliveries, which also eliminates that leverage in a worse way. Biden has said he would veto that bill, by the way.
I've mentioned this before, as you well know, but it deserves mentioning again here. The fact that you can criticize Biden and there's an outside chance he'll listen makes him the better candidate than the guy who listens to nobody on anything that's not about how to make him more money, with disregard to whether the money-making scheme is legal.
Edit: Let's also not forget that the guy who listens to nobody also uses literal WWII Nazi language at his presidential campaign rallies, kind of all the time - along with an ever-increasing litany of repugnant behaviors, any one of which would have immediately halted any other political campaign in its tracks. But let's not ever criticize that; it's all the Democrats' fault.
I've also said that the people who bark about this, only ever criticising Biden and Democrats, are either foreign propagandists or wholly taken by them. I stand by that statement.
If you're not willing to halt, or even reduce, it, it's not leverage anymore; you're just being a doormat.
If only there was an international body charged with prosecuting international crimes, and if there was such a body, thank God it's Biden in the white house and not Trump, who would surely obstruct bringing justice and pressure to the Isreali leaders conducting the war crimes.
If only it was domestically illegal to send weapons to foreign nations who were found to be using them to commit war crimes, that way at least Israel would know our hands were tied if they keep committing them
If only there was an international coalition of nations that could sanction Israel for committing war crimes. I'm sure if there was we would certainly not obstruct justice being brought there
If only the US had a functional military, so they could use it as a last resort to put an end to a literal fucking genocide.
What a sad reality we live in.
Do you think Trump would relent if I was yelling at him to stop the genocide Biden was supporting?
Do you think republicans would listen to moralistic appeals to stopping genocide?
Are there even any full-throated republicans on lemmy?
This 'why aren't you complaining about republicans?!' bullshit is a transparent deflection of responsibility from the people who are actively involved in the genocide. And I stand by that statement.
No, I do not. We should do everything we can to get him elected, so he can also not listen to you from the Oval Office!
Do you feel the same way about campaigning for Biden?
I admire your level of political nihilism.
Single-issue voters have always left the barn door open for all manner of fuckery to be undertaken.
One-day-every-four-years democrats have always left the barn door open for all manner of fuckery to be undertaken, too.
Those are called elections and 'closing the barn door' on them would be called fascism. Google January 6th if you're confused.
Ah, I see the confusion, allow me to explain;
a 365 day voter is one who pushes for better politics every day of the year, a one-day-every-four-years voter is one who only shows up on election day and does fuck all the rest of the time.
The barn door for fuckery would be politicians getting to run carte-blanche on policy positions without pushback because the one-day-every-four-years voter didn't show up except for the day of the election and now has to choose between the options already selected for them by the time they wake up.
Fascism happens when the fascists are 365 day voters and the non-fascists are One-day-every-four-years voters.
Ah- so like a delusional self-righteous person that thinks babbling on the internet is a form of activism. Gotcha. I'm just a registered voter that votes and calls reps about important issues. Basically the same as your 365 thing but not as hilariously pretentious.
I mean it's just as valid a form of activism as scolding people for not wanting to hold their nose to genocide on the internet, I guess.
Biggest difference I can see is what each person finds as an acceptable level of genocide
I'm more of a realist and recognize nothing we say to each other is helping Palestinians. Voting\donating are the only material support we can offer them. But I know it's fun and satisfying to play pretend that you're an ally to the downtrodden.
Those are honestly good courses of action, and I'm not here to discourage that, but what you're describing is defeatism, not realism. It's deciding that your representative cannot be swayed by protest.
I will admit taking a bullhorn and screaming at the people causing the problem is pretty cathartic. Maybe if we were all saying the same thing it would feel more effectual.
Adorably naive. They're 'swayed' by donors, votes, and sometimes lawsuits. At best they'll give lip service to your protest.
But democracy doesn't and can't depend on 'swaying' representatives, it depends on voting in those that represent you and voting out those that do not. The 365 day voter thing is cute and all- just remember to actually vote.
Fucking hell, it depends on a hell of a lot more than voting. If you're not engaged in making your policy desires known then you're in no position to complain about how regrettable it is they're committing atrocities.
Make your vote worth something.
But you are because you meme so hard!
At least i'm not making excuses for him like he's Mr.-fucking-Migu
Not sure if you're confusing me with another person you're ranting at or just running with your imagination at this point.
"Biden can't help himself in supporting their genocide, the only thing we can do is help clean up the mess he's leaving behind"
I know exactly who i'm lecturing, their just forgetting the words they're saying
That's interesting. What else does the version of me that lives in your head say?
"please stop complaining about my candidate supporting a genocide, you're gonna make him lose"
Weird. But I don't have a version of you in my head though so I can't really play along with your delusion here.
bOtH SiDeS
bOtH SiDeS ^are morally exempt from genocide^
FTFY
The problem here is how you're putting words in my mouth that I never said.
Oh i'm sorry, I thought you were putting words in my mouth.
My mistake.
One of them, yes.
I'm just going to leave this link here for you.... Hopefully you'll have the good sense to delete this comment once you see how incredibly wrong you are. Biden is doing - TODAY - the thing you were afraid Trump might possibly do next year.
Biden administration signals it will support push to hit ICC with sanctions
Not for nothing but that was exactly what I was referring to