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Human problems have human solutions.
The science is clear, now it's an engineering problem.
Unfortunately, it's actually a political problem.
Another human problem, so solvable.
It's not like a super volcano or asteroid.
Asteroid problem is more solvable than political problem.
Armageddon solved it like in 2 hours or so.
Appropriate username, but I (unfortunately) agree
Voters not wanting to lower their living standards is the real elephant in the room. You tell someone that they should eat 1 less hamburger a week and all of a sudden you're dodging bullets.
I think this is our natural reaction because we aren't aware of the scope of lobbying and corruption that influence global politics and supply chains.
There's like 100 people with the power to make the change and they've all decided to invest the money and power in self preservation. It's the biggest 'fuck you proletariat scum' I could imagine. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff
Are you talking about American voters?
Only about 35 percent of the eligible voters participated, so yeah. Apathy and complacent comfort is a big player in the game. I'm pretty convinced that a lot of people's apathy comes from the lack of political agency. When business interests conflict with human interests guess who wins every time.
Ok. Well, not all countries are democracies. So, excluded those ones right off the bat. And then narrow it to voters who participate and those who do not.
If you do not participate you're part of the issue
I think America is one of the participatory democratic countries. But many other countries are not. What are you actually confused about??
The largest emitter of greenhouse gasses, and CO2 is China, which not a democratic county. The second largest is United States. Idk how to discuss the possibility of 'voting' the climate change problem away without mentioning these two nations.
You didn’t mention who was the largest consumer of Chinese goods which were produced in lieu of all that co2.
Well well well, now you want to discuss US? Now it suddenly seems relevant? Hmmmmm.
? You’re quoting the wrong guy there chief.
Okay, but I was replying to that user. Americans must stop consuming, and that is not controversial at all.
For sure. But it’s not just Americans. They might be the biggest offenders but the problem of over consumerism has plagued the entire world. At this point our economy is global. The tentacles of capitalism have invaded every corner of the planet.
Our problems today were manufactured well over a hundred years ago. It’s only taken this long for it all to finally catch up.
I felt an existential crisis about this a few years ago. I wanted everyone to simply stop everything, appreciate what they had. I sat down and spent an entire year as simply as possible. Eating simply, consuming very little. The truth is, it's difficult to do and in our society it is not rewarded. I felt like it was a period of self improvement, but the ultimate truth is, I could not control anyone else, even if I was the living personification of self sustaining anti consumerism. Now I teach early elementary. Participating in this very small way feels like a vast improvement to hiding out like a hermit.
I can't control anyone, especially wealthy adults. But I can influence the future adults.
Okay. Thanks for politely correcting me. But which country is the largest emitter of CO2?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271748/the-largest-emitters-of-co2-in-the-world/
Not that this changes anything. It's just another idiotic talking point as you so politely pointed out. But then again, I never asserted the idiotic notion that we could simply vote the problem away either.
You did.
Then you politely pointed out that it was stupid to talk about America.
Then you made sure to call me an idiot, because America is the largest emitter of greenhouse gasses.
Care to elaborate on any of this in a productive manner?
How shall I help again exactly? Voting? I didn't blame China, I simply pointed out that your solution, 'voting' doesn't work in a place that doesn't have participatory democracy. China is to blame just like America is. The wealthy, powerful Chinese and Americans, who actually could do something besides idiotically arguing, decide to continue fucking the world, our children's futures, and everything else that gets in the way of their maintaining that power. Mostly the people with power over the problem actively ignore or disregard the problem. I do vote. I pick up trash. I avoid buying new stuff, beyond that, since I'm not the CEO of Exon Mobil, I really don't have agency.
What you originally said...
This implied that if we voted green, if I went into politics on a environmental platform, if I inconvenienced myself, it could change things. This does, indeed, suggest some sort of solution. I politely disagreed for a variety of reasons, you rudely misunderstood. Did I blame China? No I pointed out that voting green wouldn't change China. Did I say America is awesome. No I said America is a major part of the problem.
You say everyone is out there finger pointing, but you are unclear, and blaming me for not understanding what you are trying to say perfectly. Point the finger up your tight butt instead of at me.
Please point to the place where I denied climate change.
You've pointed your finger at me the entire time we've talked, while failing to own your own words. You can't move the goal posts and expect anyone to give a shit about your opinions. You are saying voting can't change anything, while saying voting is the way to change the problem. Pick one please.
Where exactly? What action am I deflecting?
Please elaborate/ substantiate what have I said that is contradictory?
You said 'voters won't change anything' but voting green is the way to change... If only people would vote green. So which one is it???
You like saying people go around pointing fingers, but I only see your finger pointing at me.
Did I use rude and insuting language at you? Did I make unsubstantiated claims and then back down when asked for clarification?
Your shit stinks just like everyone else's
Dropping a big ice cube on the ocean every now an then?
Would you need a bigger ice cube every time?