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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Shoppers can’t even be bothered to avoid products manufactured using slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

as if the average shopper could afford anything from Patagonia …

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What does this have to do with the thread you're responding to (besides both comments being shit takes)?

Also, for the "average shopper" in the West (as in, someone who is not actually poor), it is untrue. Buying Patagonia is simply a matter of priorities. E.g. a Patagonia vest costs between 119 and 199 USD. At that price, it's much less expensive than the most expensive thing in that "average shopper's" household.

But to a lot of people that vest will be less important than, say, a dishwasher or a car. Or maybe they actually want a vest but they prioritize buying 5 super-cheap vests to have more choice.

Nb: There are luxury items that those people literally can't afford. And there are also people below the poverty line who indeed never have 120 USD on hand at once. Neither is relevant here.

[Edit: Quite honestly, I would be interested in why I get downvotes on the observation that, above a certain wealth threshold, which items people spend money on depends on their priorities.]

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Shoppers often don't know.. blame the companies not the individual shoppers. This should be regulated top down.. heavy handed... Like chuck a CEO in prison if it comes to light his company sold stuff made by slave labor while he was in charge.. see how fast this stuff will end.

Same as the bosses and higher ups of shell from the 70s and 80s that suppressed their climate reports.. these guys should be hailed in front of a Nuremberg style tribunal.. with similar outcomes. They knowingly poisoned all of us... For profit...

First thing about this. Force companies to audit their supply chains. Ignorance is NOT an excuse... Because then "not looking" is the tactic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

most cases, the companies are not ignorant – Nestlé got out of a child slavery case because they claimed nothing happened on US soil (while their PR campaign said their chocolate would be much more expensive if they had to audit for child slavery)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think more people do but it's genuinely quite hard to know. If you walk into a shopping centre, you need to buy some pants. There are 8 stores that sell pants, in each store there's some price range from low to high with some overlap, maybe the range for the cost is 5 dollars to 300 across the whole shopping center.

Which pants were made by slaves? There's no label, the 300 dollar pants are still mass produced cotton and polyester crap probably made from cotton picked by literal child slaves. How do you decide? Ever company puts up signs about responsibility and ethical supply chains but there's no enforcement so it means nothing.

There are some specialty sellers online but they're often extremely expensive and not widely available. Is that the real cost? are they honest? Buying the 5 dollar pants is probably terrible, are the 50 dollar pants 5 dollar pants with a 1000% mark up? If so you're even worse for buying those :/