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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The people who are against helping the poor often complain that why should someone else get help when they are not getting help themselves. They see it as a handout, And that handouts are bad.

Trying to explain long-term goals to that kind of person is not possible. It needs to be marketed differently. How could we market helping the poor in a way that makes it sound like an immediate gain for the people who are not poor?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Public services (e.g. libraries) are so far the most effective at getting people's buy-in. Many countries even provide healthcare this way. Food is a bit trickier, but is done in schools, and something like a public cafeteria seems tenable. Housing would be extremely difficult due to security concerns; the current housing shortage would also prevent this.

In general Universal Basic Income (UBI) still has the advantage that everyone gets it, so it doesn't feel "unfair" (and people generally support getting money for themselves). It far more flexible than public services, but suffers from people stressing about the rich getting it.

Carbon Tax & Dividend has that advantage and even further justification. Tax polluters, and then give that money back to everyone equally (after all, everyone is hurt equally by pollution).

A similar argument could be made for nonrenewable resources and Land Value Tax (LVT) - the land belongs to everyone, and everyone deserves to benefit from its use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Carbon Tax & Dividend

bahahahahah

Canada has done this and Conservatives are livid. Our federal government has wasted so much time and energy trying to communicate how most people (80% is the official figure) come out ahead. We have Conservative premiers full on revolting against the tax with one province actually refusing to pay the owed amount.

I'm really trying to stay positive and not "us vs them" with Conservatives, but it's increasingly frustrating. Facts truly do not seem to matter to them, they hear the price of gas is going up 3 cents and their conclusion is that our PM is greedy and somehow hoarding this money for his own gain. The fact that the money goes back to them is irrelevant.

We are on the path to electing a populist conservative who is openly anti-trans, it's fucking depressing. Oh and he's also opposed to a change in how capital gains are taxed that effects 0.13% of the richest Canadians a year, but somehow he's "for the people". Fuck everything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yes, you can always count on the right-wing to oppose all progress, with help from everyone's favorite propogandist petrostate. What's wild though is over half of Canadians don't even realize they are getting a rebate! [0] Clearly whatever people's opinions on the policy are, they aren't driven by reality.

[0] https://abacusdata.ca/carbon-tax-pollution-pricing-carbon-action-incentive-payment-abacus-data-polling/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

And it's such a stupid mentality too.

Every one of them got help in some way to reach where they are.