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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why end the homelessness crisis when you can criminalize homelessness and have an endless supply of slaves to produce “proudly made in america” things for 15cts an hour ?

Because slave labor is notoriously inefficient relative to precarious industrial labor (particularly as your prison population ages), the cost of incarceration eclipses the savings (especially as housing/energy costs climb), and the cruelty inflicted on the populous undermines the health and well-being of the overall population in a way that stunts technological and cultural development.

States like Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma are case studies in economic mismanagement through mass incarceration. Four of the highest incarceration rates in the country and some of the worst economic growth in the nation.

Trying to treat homelessness through incarceration is a bit like trying to treat malnutrition through cannibalism. The policy is inherently wasteful and destructive, sacrificing far more than one might hope to create.

If you think the bourgeoisie isn’t that cynical, I have a bridge to sell you.

The real value of mass incarceration is not in the people you incarcerate but in the submissive atmosphere you cultivate outside the incarcerated group. Mass arrests create a functional economic blacklist of racial cohorts and social dissidents. Associating with these people can be as poisonous for your welfare as being one of them. And "high crime" neighborhoods can be targeted for "economic redevelopment" which often means mass displacement of residents through state seizure of property and other "slum clearance" measures.

I don't doubt there's cynicism in the modern incarceration system. But it goes a lot deeper than just "arrest a guy and press gang them". An enormous component of the War on Crime was busting up minority social welfare groups (The Black Panthers, most famously, but ACORN and BLM in more recent iterations) and scattering their non-incarcerated members.

We're seeing the same thing play out on college campuses. Organizers and leaders are targeted for arrest and expulsion in order to break up cliches of students focused on that individual leadership.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Short term profit is all that’s considered, longevity is disregarded.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Even in the short-term, mass incarceration is - at best - a loss leader. And if you look at what's happening in the UK right now, even their police and prisons are getting cannibalized by a government intent on gutting every conceivable public service.

They're farther along the death spiral than we are, but we're all headed in the same direction.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're missing a critical point. The cost of housing the inmates is borne by the taxpayers. The profit from the labor is reaped by the corporations. It doesn't matter how inefficient it is, all the costs are borne by taxpayers, so it's perfect for businesses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The cost of housing the inmates is borne by the taxpayers.

The cost of housing prisoners is far higher than the cost of housing the homeless. And it isn't as though incarcerated people weren't employed prior to arrest.

Moving a farm worker or a retail clerk to a chain gang isn't economically efficient even discounting the moral atrocity.

It doesn’t matter how inefficient it is.

It matters immensely. And you can see it in the sector growth of states with high incarceration rates.

The motivations behind this policy aren't purely economic. A lot of it just boils down to fascist bigotry.

The cruelty isn't a means to an end. It is the end itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You fantastically missed the point.

The cost of housing the inmates is borne by the taxpayers. The profit from the labor is reaped by the corporations.

From a company's perspective, you have rock bottom labor costs but you can sell your product at whatever price the market will bear.

You're considering "the economy" as a single unit but it's not. The public and private spheres have very different interests, and the private sphere is generally much more powerful.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

From a company’s perspective, you have rock bottom labor costs

Piecework by convicts is rarely quality

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

True, but the margins are still fantastic, despite the lower selling price of the goods due to lower quality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It doesn't need to be quality.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e#:~:text=Almost%20all%20of%20the%20country's,hour%20if%20anything%20at%20all.

Outside jobs can be coveted because they typically pay more and some states deposit a small percentage earned into a savings account for prisoners’ eventual release.

Who takes the rest? The prison.

Look up what these jobs produce and how they are remunerated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The major "desired" impact, I suspect, is not in direct profits from the slave labor but in the wage suppression that it causes outside of the prison population.