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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Lol things have not gotten slowly better through voting ever or have you somehow missed the last 100 years?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Their username can answer this question

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

It is a little too on the nose

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

End of segregation. Interracial marriage legalized. Voting rights for native americans. LGBT rights...

Nope, no progress there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I seem to remember those things happening because of protest and struggle.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Elected officials only care about protests when they start losing votes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did those happen because people voted, or was it because of large-scale protests and pressure?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Both. You can't get what you want by only doing one or the other. If you don't vote, you can't pressure sane politicians that don't get elected, and the insane fascists are just going to ignore you. And we all know that voting alone isn't the solution

People need to stop acting like voting is the end all/be all, or that not voting/withholding your vote sends a message rather than let's psychos who want to destroy democracy have their way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

We have the largest protests since the Iraq War, and your "sane" politicians are telling us to fuck off.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They like to pretend like successful protests are a people's moment, but protests don't go anywhere without in-power support. MLK was establishment as fuck. The National Guard provided a replacement when his PA system failed at the million man march. You gotta make your opinions known by voicing them publicly and supporting candidates that are sympathetic to your cause. Even better, become part of the establishment yourself and be the helpful politician you wish you could vote for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It seems to have been buried to the sands of time, but I once read an excellent article explaining why modern protest movements have a terrible track record compared to the ones from before the 1980s (or so). The book "If We Burn" by Vincent Bevins has a similar theme.

The long and short of it is that modern protests are too easy to organize, and don't represent any real power. You can start a Facebook event and get loads of people to show up and stand in the street, but that's pretty much it. In order to organize a protest in the 1960s, you had to have an established organization and power structure. You had to have regular meetings and a bureaucracy in order to get a large number of people to show up and protest. That same bureaucracy could also be used for other things, like supporting or opposing particular political candidates, and the oppositional and sympathetic establishment knew that.

A modern protest is toothless. It has no weight behind it. If you want to have enough power to take on the establishment that you oppose, you have to become equally structured and monied in order to fight them. That's what it means to become a part of the establishment. You might not join the established teams, but you're going to become so well organized and bureaucratic that angsty teams would immediately write you off as boring and just another part of the system if they ever had to participate in one of your long term planning sessions.

On an individual level my suggestion is to join the system and change it from within, because one person doesn't make for a very powerful organization. Plus, it's rare for any random person to have the chops or resources to build up a political organization for themselves. On the collective level, you gotta start holding committee meetings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

terrifying comment