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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Can I sincerely ask what we're supposed to use instead?

Kagi has given me the best search experience ive had in at least a decade, I'm not going back to the enshittification engine, and everything else is just bing in fancy wrapping paper. Is there something else like Kagi? Is there something like DDG or Searx that arent just slightly better bing?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Feel entirely free to use Kagi, just remember that it's run by an idiot and could blow up at any moment.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Apologies, my question wasn't rhetorical, I was genuinely looking for suggestions. I don't want to use kagi if this is who is running it... BUT all the alternatives that I'm personally aware of are not options for replacement.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

basically the whole area is gallopping enshittification. Until this blowup, I had seriously been considering Kagi too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Guess it's time to spin up a local search indexer...

[–] AlecSadler 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also looking for answers. I've been a Kagi convert for 5 months now and it has absolutely saved me time and effort.

I was looking at Perplexity but it isn't exactly the same.

[–] FractalsInfinite 6 points 4 months ago

You may want to have a look at this list for possible alternatives

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ok but for real... it's not great for finding actual answers to queries, but I find like 800x more interesting results with search.marginalia.nu than any other search engine. It's the only search engine that I find actively fun to just browse around on recreationally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

it’s not great for finding actual answers to queries, but I find like 800x more interesting results

Dunno if this is just poorly phrased or... Finding actual answers to queries is the only job of a search engine, what does "interesting" mean here?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You can use a search engine to explore the world wide web and find curious little pages made by real human beings. Google et al. and the SEO twats have made that mostly impossible without drastic measures.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For me instantly evoked the memory of using the internet from when I first got to access it (~92) until 2012..2014ish, years I could describe as “the party is emptying, not as big as earlier”, vs 2014..2016 which I’d describe as having definite “okay there’s only 3 people left on the dancefloor” vibes (and the downslope started being felt 2008..2009 already, but slowly, only later more pronounced).

It was a time when you truly could just randomly browse search results and find all kinds of interesting things. It’s hard to convey, in today’s ecosystem, what that felt like. The fedi scratches a similar itch, but it feels (and I don’t mean this as criticism) more “a diamond in the muck”, a glimmer of hope in a sea of awful. A general optimism was quite prevalent among the internet of then, even despite it also having its awful aspects

I have years of irc logs in multiple channels, filled with the shared experiences of years of people delighting and gaping and pointing at all kinds of stuff like this. And things rarely feel the same.

I will never forgive the walled gardens for what they took from all of us, for what they destroyed

[–] FractalsInfinite 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are a couple, though the quality varies. Mojeek and marginalia seem to be good alternatives personally

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

thanks a lot for shouting us out, Marginalia is also impressive (basically a one-person project etc.), the random button is delightful

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I can't remember the names of the projects, but there are actually some self hosted search engines that I keep meaning to get around to actually installing on "Ullr"