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France votes to ban ‘forever chemicals,’ exempting frying pans (www.politico.eu)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The French National Assembly on Thursday unanimously adopted a bill aimed at restricting the manufacture and sale of products containing per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances — also known as PFAS or “forever chemicals.” The MPs, backed by the government, voted to exclude kitchen utensils from the scope of the text.

Thanks to an intense lobbying push, manufacturers of frying pans and saucepans — including the SEB group, which owns Tefal — are exempt from this ban under the proposed law penned by French Green MPs.

Majority groups initially tried to delay the ban on kitchen utensils until 2030 — a timetable refused by the French Green MPs who instead suggested an exemption until 2026.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hate to step in here, because I fear you're not interested in a discussion, but chemistry is very sensitive to small changes. You can't just notice that two chemicals are related or similar and assume they behave similarly in all situations. It literally takes a degree in chemistry to look at a molecule and start making guesses about its properties.

Then we throw in the fact that we're interested in how these chemicals behave inside your body and it becomes a whole other level of complex. Guessing is practically out the window, as far as I'm concerned, unless you've got some key functional group that stays consistent and exposed whose interactions you already understand. Your body has so many different chemical systems you just plain can't assume similar chemicals will have similar behavior.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hate to step in here, but you both think PFAS is a substance. It's a group of substances that INCLUDES PTFE.

You'd have better luck of "uhm actuallying" a ~~sixth~~ third grade lesson.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah that's a good point, that's my bad. Polymers isn't my specialty.