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Honestly I think eye dialect is the real grotesque part of this.
Most Israelis are native English speakers or were raised speaking English, there's no reason to have used satirical grammar except to portray a gross ethnic stereotype.
Not to mention that I think it undercuts the premise to make it about ethnicity.
I'm sorry maybe I'm missing something, but how is it a stereotype to have the character speak like an idiot? The artist is trying to show that Israel in general is being idiotic, so this character speaking in a grammatically incorrect way matches that.
It isn't just an idiotic way of speaking, they're using eye dialect spelling to reproduce the guttural sound in traditional hebrew pronunciation (e.g. 'k-hamas), which is ethnically specific and a very common trope in antisemitic media. Modern Israelis typically have more in common with western english speakers (many don't originate from Israel at all) than with this type of orthodox speech mannerisms.
It would have been one thing to portray the figure as an idiot, but combining it with ethnically-charged tropes and signifiers starts making the comic less about the nature of what they're doing (and the ridiculous logic they're using to justify it) and more about what ethnic group the figure is a part of.
It's good practice to look critically at politically-charged comics for shorthands like the above.
Have you considered perhaps the view of Zionists considering themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity?
Congratulations, you've broken my brain with this rationalization of antisemitism.
'They consider themselves the only 'real' jews, so by being antisemitic i'm really just being anti-zionist'
Have you considered perhaps the view that you might be an idiot? I do, and I accept that I lack understanding and that my knowledge is incomplete. You should try and do the same. It helps.
Back on the topic. If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?
So when Nazis separated themselves from the rest of the populace, only accepted the Aryan race as supreme and started genociding those they considered inferior, people who depicted them as such were actually anti-germanic.
I hope your brain doesn't hurt now that it's broken.
Lol, you're really doubling down on this? By your logic, does depicting a jew with a hooked nose classify as antisemitic? Since they say they're the 'true jews', are any of the classic jewish stereotypes fair game?
The problem with their use isn't that you're projecting a classification on them, it's that you're tying their differentiating characteristics to the terrible thing they've done. You're making it (to varying degrees) about what makes them jewish, not the terrible thing they're doing.
I've heard a lot of rationalizations of racism before, but "i'm actually doing activism" is a new one.
Who's talking about noses? This was about a manner of speech.
They're both ethnic stereotypes lol
But the manner of speech in this case can be seen as a form of snobbish elitism that differentiates from the regular citizen.
Lol ok so we've got one for 'snobbish elitism' and one for 'idiotic', anyone else with a contradictory description of this caption?
weird hill to choose to die on there bud.
All these different hills we have, yet somehow we all think ours is better.
Enjoy your hill, random internet stranger.