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I've run across these terms several times, but without enough context to figure out what they mean. Could someone help me out, please?

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tankies are Red Fascists. They're essentially communism-flavored authoritarians. I would contend they do not qualify as "left", "leftists", etc but far-right. They support and defend Soviet Russia and the CCP, specifically defending their atrocities and oppression.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can there be such a thing as a progressive/leftist who is pro-authoritarianism? I guess they must exist somewhere but I haven't met any.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suppose it's always possible to believe in a benevolent dictator who will use their authority to establish whatever system it is that you think is "best", even if it's not authoritarian. Lots of revolutions try that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Political leanings and ideological preferences aside, anyone believing in a benevolent dictator needs to crack a book and read some history :)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see why not since progressive leftist describes where their beliefs lie and authoritarianism describes how they go about enforcing their beliefs.

Really depends on how specific you want to be with the definition of leftist though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Sure, I guess I equate a desire to be subject to an authoritarian, strongman type leader as something that appeals more to people on the right. We're a diverse and messy species though so there's likely someone, somewhere who will be the exception that proves the rule.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can there be such a thing as a progressive/leftist who is pro-authoritarianism?

Not really.

Progressivness is about freedom, authoritarianism about the lack of freedom.

But someone could hypothetically be an actual communist and an authoritarian. Because communism is just an economic system.

In practice the only way it would work is "mob rule". Like what happened during the French revolution where people rose up, killed the ruling class, and then distributed their wealth.

But even that wasn't the same because the mob didn't attempt to distribute it equally. Everyone just grabbed shit.

I think it's especially confusing to people with a two party political system, because economic and social policy start to get intertwined, when they're two different things.

Which a cynic would say is intentional so that no matter who gets elected, the wealthy win.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A cynic or a realist? All political systems have to have some checks against human greed and avarice or things quickly turn to shit for the average person. If you can't vote someone out, that's an important check you're giving up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From wikipedia:

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a whole[1][2][3][4] or certain social hierarchies.[5]

According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, supporters of left-wing politics "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[6]

So maybe? If you had a truly benevolent dictator that promoted equality, freedom (limited to everything except changing nature of government) and prosperity for all then that might fit? But in the real world, not effectively.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I've seen plenty of people start off with good intentions and then they change when they get a taste of power.

“Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.” - Lord Acton.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Environmental change activists? They have pretty authoritarian views on certain subjects, even if they are more "liberal" and alternative views?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't say they're authoritarian, as there is no strongman they want to appoint to govern.