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[–] southsamurai 94 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The meme is funny :)

That being said, the only UK foods I've had were made by expats here in the states. None of it was bland, with the exception of breakfast beans, "because they're meant to be mild to start your day" as I was told by a lovely liverpudlian.

She would do fish and chips, and the batter was well seasoned. Not heavily seasoned, but some pepper, a little paprika, and a bit of onion powder to give it some aromatic kick. Well balanced, and imo, as good as any of the southern fried fish recipes I've had.

The chips were obviously just salted and vinegar used per person.

But when we did pot luck at work, she would bring in what she called "good english food", which included some curry a few times.

But her shepherd's pie? Holy hell, that was some great stuff. She said it was really cottage pie because it was beef usually. But it had the usual pepper, onion, garlic, and herbs.

And the other expats I ate with were similar. Maybe different amounts of a given herb or spice, but it was in there.

I think the UK food thing is a meme in itself, and likely arose the way things usually do, with the majority of cooks just being bad cooks, rather than representative of a cuisine or the way things are done properly in that country.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The reputation comes from the US military being stationed in the UK during the height of WW2 rationing when there was an extremely limited list of ingredients to cook with. They were unable to associate a country under an attempted siege from U-boats with a reduced supply of food.

We do have a love of beige food at times, but it's essentially our version of chicken tendies.

[–] southsamurai 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Ahhh, that makes sense. Kinda rough that the rep hasn't gone away yet, though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Boomers made that bland war time food linger. They were children during and just after WW2 so it was part of their childhood nostalgia and they fed it to their own kids. Also we've had Indian/ Chinese restaurants in the UK for a while but they were mostly just in major cities at first so the average person still had little exposure to foreign or exotic food until the late 1970s/ early 1980s.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Boomers weren't children during WWII. Boomer means baby boomer, as in someone born during the baby boom. The baby boom happened after the war ended.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Good point. But rationing continued in the UK until 1954 so it did affect them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Literally by definition boomers would have been born after WW2.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah this one was the silent generation

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My ex mother in law and her mom both can’t eat any food that’s not a certain level of bland. Too much of any spice at all and they set it aside like an autistic kid with arfid. Which… come to think of it…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, this sums up everyone I know over 60 that is descended from British -immigrants- sorry expats.

Actual British people coming over now that still sound British seem to have much more refined taste. BIR-style curries are indeed very popular vs bland British "stew" / casserole

[–] prettybunnys 3 points 5 months ago

I went to the the UK when I was a teenager pre 9/11 and I remember the food being amazing imo.

But honestly I love savory food that just needs a pinch of salt to make it pop so maybe I’m the problem too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Also as an American we don’t really have room to talk. Yes there’s the iconic southern foods but even then, grits are bland and meh. But for the most part a lot of traditional American food needed to have spices rediscovered. It seems like for a long time our attitude was to use sugar, pre ground pepper, and maybe salt as seasoning for something that had any good texture cooked out of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

An aside here: but why is it that people from major cities aren't considered average? In many cases major cities are major because they have a lot higher density of people leading to more development and resources.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

We also had rationing for a good while longer than other countries after the wars (right into the mid-50s), so we have a whole generation who were pretty much raised with limited food options. That kind of national trauma sticks around and took a while to shake off.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It hasn't gone away because countless students from across the globe have moved there and found it to be true. While there is good food available in the UK it seems as if the average Brit is content to eat very badly and then supplement a terrible diet with copious amounts of alcohol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What else would you supplement a terrible diet with?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Coffee? Tea? Illicit drugs.

(They do all the above).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's the same with English beer. On the continent, people keep saying that Brits drink their beer lukewarm. When I was there, they actually had temperature displays at the tap in most pubs that usually showed something around 4°C (~39°F). For reference, that was in the Huddersfield area (between Leeds and Manchester) around 15 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well in this case the reputation for "warm beer" is true and I'm willing to die on this particular hill.

Proper cask ale should be served at between 8 and 12C, AKA cellar temperature, cool but not cold. Nothing beats a traditional pint of 'best bitter' in an old pub!

Plenty of people in the UK drink lager and other styles of beer that are more highly carbonated, stronger ABV, and served colder. Personally I'm not a fan but each to their own.

I live about an hour from London in a rural area with loads of great pubs but I find it difficult to find a nice beer in most parts of London. It's much easier to keep a keg of carbonated beer under pressure than a cask ale that you have to finish within a few days of tapping, which is why when a certain proportion of a pub's clientele start drinking other styles it just isn't worth it for the pub to keep real ale. Hopefully it won't become a niche thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I've home brewed a lot of English ales and I agree that those ales should be served warmer. If you don't, the cold mutes and kills the subtle and rich flavors.

Lagers are good, but a good British Ale is something to savory with good friends.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That's because of a lot Englishales are drunk at room temp/ slightly below though not as cold as refrigerated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

True and thats because they were invented before refrigerators.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I'd recommend chilli peppers with your user name.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Case proven, all the good cooks left.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

My favourite "traditional" English meal is a good Steak and Kidney pie, made with an ale sauce. Seasoned with lots of pepper, Worcestershire sauce (anchovy sauce), onion and stock. Absolutely delicious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I think the issue is mostly in the visuals. When you look for traditional English food, it is usually a plate full of beige stuff, sometimes paired with really unappetizing boiled carrots and beans. The gravy being on the side instead of part of the dish doesn't do it any favors either.

Also I'd argue England has pretty low standards for what counts as "food". I've had to work in England for a month, and finding something fresh, healthy and tasty to eat was a real challenge. I've never been as fat as when I came home.

The epitome of the wasted potential of English cuisine is the fact that it's an island full of the best fishes in the world, yet the only fish you can find is battered cod. Why is it so hard to get a salmon fillet? You have Scottish salmon ffs!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

We do have a lot of very bland food over here, but a lot of us like that.

It's a lot more about the texture sometimes, some of us (not me) can do some amazing roast vegetables and everyone seems to have their own ancient tradition for how to make them