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To preface, I understand it's part of the US Constitution so I know it'll never go away completely.
I'm not a fan of citizens being able to own a tool whose sole purpose is to kill. It's marketed as defense, but the underlying reason is because a gun is a tool with the power to kill. Guns have become so small and portable that an individual can conceal one and can end people's lives at will. I'm not comfortable with that power going unchecked.
I also believe 2A's original intent is not feasible today. A small group of people with muskets cannot overthrow an oppressive state or local government.
I understand the sub this is in, but just wanted to offer my sincere 2¢
Guns are also very effective for threatening people, even if nobody gets shot. There is a legitimate use as a power equalizer for self defense, like if someone breaks into a house and there's an old dude in a wheelchair with a shotgun, they'll probably turn around and leave. But also it enables strongarm robberies.
It's a deterrent because it's an escalation from theft to manslaughter. And people are afraid of it explicitly because it's only a tool used to kill
Great at maiming, too.
Threatening people with what?
When someone is mugged with a gun, or a store is held up by someone with a gun, do I need to explain what they're being threatened with?
You do if you're trying to yeah-but some other function for guns.
Not really sure what that means, but if you're not clear on it, the threat when someone is robbing you with a gun is that they'll shoot you. They could pistol whip you instead, I guess.
What it means is, the only function for a gun is death. It remains a tool whose sole purpose is to kill. Threatening to use a thing, for its purpose, does not change its purpose. It's not an extra bonus feature.
That it is a function is precisely what I’m positing, but if you don’t agree, okay.
Then it's not an "also."
I’m not really sure what your point is. Mine is that guns can serve a harmful function even if not ever used to shoot anyone.
Of course, in this case defense means to kill the attacker before they kill you or greatly injure your body. Technically more accurately the intent is to "stop the threat," because "still alive but no longer a threat" is an acceptable outcome, but ykwim.
Also a small group of people with muskets could take on the government when the government also had muskets. The "2a intent" argument isn't an argument for why rights should be restricted, this is an argument for civilian owned HIMARS and Javelins and all that fun stuff.
Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq all would like a word.
Also every time a peoples government turns on them, the people are disarmed prior. This is a continuous event in history.
You also have a very closed minded view of how a revolution works. For whatever reason you seem to think it'll be the 14 gravy seals fighting...it won't be. It'll be gorilla warfare and it'll be bloody and violent. If we couldn't control countries that don't even look or speak like us, how do you think it'll work out when people who look like you and speak like you are your targets. You also have a large portion of the ground troops who are straight up 2A supporters and wouldn't be the ones siding with the gov.
This is all hypothetical anyways, as it's gotta take a lot more than talk to happen. People need to be hungry, jobless, homeless and not have a ton left to live for. So long as their money still spends at McDonald's and their iPhones power on. Nothing is going to happen.
Downvotes don't do anything on Lemmy...lol
You're getting downvoted and to be honest I'm not sure where you stand on the issue, but you are spitting truth about what it takes to take up arms against your own countrymen.
Most people don't understand the level it takes to get to a civil war, and once you do reach that level, it's not going to turn out like how anyone thinks it will.