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"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:

In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.

The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".

It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.

In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.

(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)

Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:

But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.

There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.

In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.

Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.

The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.

original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 8 months ago (10 children)

This was worse than I imagined from the quotes. I feel like I need to take a shower, now.

[...] which would severely limit the Federal Reserve’s ability to control the economy while exporting inflation abroad, and likely bring our material standard of living down to a German or Dutch level

According to this Quality of Life index which I just searched up and have not critically assessed, but I doubt the guy did that either for his claims, so I guess it's fine, the Netherlands rank second and Germany ranks 12th, while the US is on the 15th place. In other words: what is he even talking about?

Every day in this country more and more Hispanics marry corn-fed blonde midwesterners and produce pale Castizo children who only speak English, consider themselves basically White, and vote like Irish and Italians.

Jesus fucking Christ, I can't even come up with a funny sneer here because this reads like he just pulled it out of the 1940s Nazi Party's bag of race laws for who's allowed to marry whom, and it's making me feel icky.

I also subscribe to the old fascist idea that adversity gives life meaning. A comfortable and easy life without struggle or conflict is miserable, and just makes you a slave to the hedonic treadmill. When you live for pleasure, no pleasure is ever enough, and continued success will just leave you so pampered that any task that’s challenging or outside your comfort zone will begin to feel onerous.

Ignoring the low-hanging fruit that this guy just flat-out said "well, fascism wasn't all bad", what kind of toxic consumer mentality is ingrained in these chucklefucks that they are seemingly unable so sit their sorry asses down on the couch and just say, yeah, I'm happy right now, to the point where they just postulate that other people must feel the same way, because they just can't imagine anyone being different?

Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

always love* it when these guys get so race scientist they start on different groups of white people

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This is fundamentally a part of any kind of race science or racism.

This is also what it means when the antiracists say race is a social construct.

You can't actually define any of these races rigorously in the first place. It's a subjective assessment. The racists define race backwards from tribe in order to categorize the people they hate as physically different to justify their hate

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

This is fundamentally a part of any kind of race science or racism.

And fascism! Or any discriminatory -ism, up to and including capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

@dgerard Whiteness is a movable feast. (Ask anyone who's Jewish, or LGBT+, or Italian/Irish in the USA in the 19th century or Hispanic in the USA before/after the 1970s).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Ayuuuuuuuup. Movable feast is a great term for it. Even once formerly ostracized groups get permitted into the in-group, their membership is strictly conditional on serving the interests of those closer into the center of the Whiteness construct. Stop being useful, watch how fast the old hate rears its ugly head again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

remember how Germans used to be swarthy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Mayhaps the Bohemians?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

His glowing reference to the "aggro Scots Irish" reminded me that the "Scots Irish" are descended from Ulster Protestants, and that it wasn't fun being an Irish Catholic in Northern Ireland for much of the 20th century. Ian Paisley famously said that Catholics "breed like rabbits".

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I suspect there are people who have complicated theories about the relative whiteness rankings, and thus superiority, of natives of Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes there are, or were. The OG Nazis treated Dutch POWs slightly better than French ones, for instance.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dude, showering is exactly what I feel like now. I clicked the post to be nice and read, but only got a couple paragraphs before I just skimmed and picked out the "JFC" bits.

Then the first comment on the blog mentions how sad it is that you lose your "genetic whiteness" in 9 generations and just..goddamn...why is this an issue? Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."

I try to be empathetic where possible, but fuck these people and their entire worldview.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."

you assume that he has basic knowledge of biology

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I, for one, vote for these "genetic purists" to only procreate with their peers and keep the circle closed from "those dirty Italians/Irish/Scots/Teutons/Slavs". How many generations until the problem solves itself, 5?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

This is a kind of obvious folklore fact as well as actually true, that inbreeding (you seem to be referring to) causes worse intelligence. Because I believe I am right, I would on principle object to getting someone who is less easy to convince of my world view as an option, even if someone else gets to indoctrinate them first. It's obviously a cynical post but this is just unfair to the nonexistent inbred kids you're hypothesizing

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

At least he's old school racist enough to be racist towards Irish and Italians.

Most people have forgotten, or were never educated on, how oppressed those groups used to be.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

When you're white, but not the right kind.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.

For real. I don't even necessarily disagree with the broad-strokes idea of "if you're comfortable, it's good to take on challenges and get outside of your comfort zone because that's how you grow as a person," but why can't he just apply this energy to writing a terrible novel or learning to paint watercolors or something, like a normal person? Why does the fact his life is comfortable mean he has to become a Nazi? :/

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well look what happened to the last one of these who tried to paint watercolours

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

He should've stuck with it

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

In a nutshell, he ended up hating many Germans, white and almost white Hispanics, Irish, Italians, who else...? Pickiest white supremacist I've read in a while.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

He’ll be judging standard of living by raw GDP/PPP per capita, where the US does indeed notoriously outperform everybody by an absurd margin. This does the rounds even on the “serious” econ net every few months, and it’s always the same paper thin sophistic ideas going back and forth arguing whether it’s telling you something meaningful about euro vs us living. In any case a good portion of self-assessed intellectual types have been drowning in that debate for about two decades (or more) so it’s always easy to spot lurking in the background: it’s a shibboleth for people who’ve self-educated on development by reading blogs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Ah, the idea that merely living in the same country as some rich people means that you yourself are rich.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I will gladly take the bullet and live on the hedonic treadmill. Seriously how spoiled is someone who is living without struggle or conflict. Granted it could be worse but there are always challenges in life.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just remind yourself that there was a literal global pandemic not that long ago and being mildly inconvenienced by wearing a simple mask caused these people to lose their fucking minds as though every single one of their freedoms was being stripped away.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah if anything condemns humanity, it's the way these assholes reacted to the simple requirement to wear a mask to keep from infecting others. Their total unwillingness to act in a responsible and mindful way, pretty much says all there is to about he basic evil nature of mankind and how most people aren't worth a pile of dog excrement - none of them will be or could ever be redeemed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It certainly gave me a clear indication of how well significant measures against climate change will be tolerated. ie, not at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Well I live in Utah where the legislature is actively committed to forbidding measures that will mitigate climate change, such as passing laws that allow oil and gas companies to ignore any guidelines about emissions and to promote more pollution as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@BeardedSingleMalt

That was the genius in JoJo Rabbit—showing just how absolutely pathetic and weak fascists are.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the joke is that he just assumes living a comfortable life without struggle equals falling down the consoomer rabbit hole and blowing your dopamine stores on watching porn the whole day or something, and not that you could use it for any number of fulfilling activities.

I'd take the boring, comfy life any time, and when I want something challenging to do, I pick learning to play the violin over going out and starting a race war, thank you very much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

exactly. I never understood folks who had trouble with retirement to. I can garden, or read, or walk, or volunteer, or just an infinite number of things.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Dutch level

Yeah The Netherlands sucks a lot of if you only listen to the racist right. (A similar thing would happen if you were to listen to the poor Dutch minorities/disabled people/immigrants etc and took that as the whole of the Dutch experience (which is to say we still have room for improvement, and some people have it a lot better than others)).

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