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Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? (reddthat.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In short i just jumped into the whole Mastodon blocking drama and am somewhat disappointed to see it as childish as reddit's power mod drama. Accelerated by the fact that a Limit/Mute option exist just fine, i wonder why Block/Defederation is an option at all. It only moves power from the user to admins without anything in return. With just Mute, as far as i can tell, one still wouldn't have to look on certain instances, but could interact/whitelist certain individuals and we'd get rid of the multi account requirement overnight. So why isn't it that way?

Edit: For those annoyed by the same siloing issues, look into ATProto. Bluesky may be a big unknown, but the protocol itself looks a lot more promising in terms of user freedom.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I like to emphasize " if both wish to".

If that's included in your view, then what's the point of using a unified protocol? At that point we're more backwards than just using a SSO for everything.

You're probably right on me completely misidentifying the fediverse for what it is, as i expected something like resources shared forums for everyone, but got greeted by admin drama as soon as leaving lemmy for a second. In that sense the fediverse really got a PR issue and users here acting high and mighty to someone not getting their perfect system truly isn't helping it.

Gonna wait for bluesky to play out. ATproto seems a lot more than what i initially expected from activitypub.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I like to emphasize " if both wish to".

Your problem is that you're still seeing the platform as 'controlled by users', which isn't how top down moderation works, the sites/instances are controlled by the ones who own them, they are the ones who call the shots and it is their job to enforce the rules and their choice to choose to kick someone or a site out of their circle.

A user does not have a say in this anymore than they have a say in other moderative decisions on the site. If a user's desire to interact with the other instance goes against their home instance's desire they have the option of migrating elsewhere or start their own. The fediverse is about having options of different platforms that can communicate with other platforms, not catering to free speech and user choice demands. The whole thing is still up to the individual sites and the people that run them, and they are not obligated to do anything for users (many will gladly put you in your place if you try) who they are graciously allowing to use their service.