pack_of_racoons

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[–] pack_of_racoons 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Liberal feminism convinced women that it would be liberating for them to take on both traditional, household gender roles, but all it did was saddle women with an even greater burden.

I disagree wholeheartedly with this sentiment with regard to early liberal feminism. Liberal feminism allowed women to vote, go to school, have a bank account without their ~~owner's~~ husband's permission, get divorced, and gave women the freedom to choose what they want for their individual lives. If a woman wants to pursue a life full of traditional gender roles liberal feminism does not stop her from doing that.

Liberal feminism succeeded, though not completely as there are still inequalities that exist, in liberating women within the context of a capitalist society. It roughly brought them up to the oppression level that of a man in a capitalist society. I'm not going to argue that it wasn't a missed opportunity to bring upon a socialist revolution, it certainly was. And in hind sight was sorely needed as among other things it would have likely eliminated the chance of existence for in/femcels and the blight they bring upon the world.

Meanwhile, the movement to make women independent left a lot of men lonely, bitter, and resentful...

Honestly, that's a problem for those men to deal with. It is also pretty obvious that a certain group of men would be bitter and resentful now that society makes it harder for them to chain down a woman.

I think people need to abandon the idea that freedom comes from independence.

This is an easy thing to say when the only people you've ever been dependent on were benevolent. What happens when you require support from someone that does not allow you to make you're own decisions or respect your bodily autonomy? You also need to recognize that feminist women can, and still do, engage in loving mutually supportive relationships. The goal of liberal feminism was/is to allow women to be independent not to mandate that they are.

TBH I cannot really tell if you're arguing that Liberal Feminism did not go far enough and should have been Socialist Feminism or that Liberal Feminism went too far by allowing a woman to live a life independent of a man.

[–] pack_of_racoons 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

My only exposure to the term femcel was from lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/femcelmemes which appears to be the antithesis of what this article describes. My perspective on some irl comments I've heard has totally changed.

Looking over at reddit for a femcelmemes equivalent it seems like r/femcelgrippysockjail is the closest but damn do they hate men over there. Yet are weirdly cool with trans women?

I'm assuming femcelmemes on blahaj.zone is ironic or just unrelated? Either way, going to steer clear of anyone who associates with that term cuz damn that's a lot of hatred and negativity.

[–] pack_of_racoons -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So a marginalized group that gets continuously shit on both offline and irl makes a lemmy community with strict rules so they can have a space to enjoy lemmy and take a break from being shat on... and you have a problem with it? Why does all online activity have to be productive? Why can't people make safe space to relax in?

[–] pack_of_racoons 12 points 1 week ago

I don't like the idea either. If true, it seems like the mods/community are upset they can't feed trolls, or bully people who aren't the "right" type of queer.

[–] pack_of_racoons 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Is it safe to asume that this is why the mods have

...been planning on moving 196 to lemmy.world ASAP…

per https://lemmy.world/comment/14170082

[–] pack_of_racoons 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

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