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Not just the media, but perhaps worse, unverified strangers on the Internet though social media. The biggest thing that pisses me off is every time I the lesser of two evils argument spouted of paired with Biden's handing of something that 100% should fall in the domain of Congress to solve. So may things that historically have been attributed to the President were ultimately created and decided on by Congress and the public attributes way more power to the President than they actually have because of it.

If we want actual support to Gaza we need to push our congressional members to provide that support. Which is laughable because congress can't even pass a bill that had bipartisan support because half of one floor bends knee to the will of a private citizen. Biden keeps having to overreach his office with executive orders and policies that aren't backed by law and as such are highly transient and subject to constitutional review allowing them too be thrown out, as well as peace time commander-in-chief powers to do things like supply airdrops or back door old equipment sales to their other countries to affected groups.

The difference between Ukraine and Gaza is that unlike Ukraine, have does not have a unified Palestinian force that the US can safely supply arms to (HAMAS has actively proven that they are not the good guys) and that we're legally obligated to supply arms to Israel, which we are not to Russia. Biden can only sit loudly at Israel stating that genocide is bad threaten that this could lead to a withdrawal of US support, but he can't actually withdraw US support. Congress needs to provide a bill for him to sign that does that.

On a side note... I'm fairly convinced that a good chunk of the rhetoric spouted to not vote for Biden likely originated from foreign sources to plant the Idea in people's minds and get them to repeat it everywhere because on the surface it feels right. The vote any vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump rhetoric probably exists for similar reasons, mostly to help reinforce the thought that both sides are the same because it's quite easily proven not true and likely increases the odds that someone it's used to convince to vote for Biden ultimately ends up either withholding their vote in protest or voting for someone else out of spite.

This is true. The fact that I can be irrationally angry about something Biden and his administration has done and still find thing to agree on is fine. I fully intend to vote for him anyway. I wouldn't be so quick to just call him an evil, at worst he's like a chaotic neutral. There is very little I can find to agree on with the current, highly regressive, Republican party and the few remaining individuals who have at redeeming features are all being driven out. This is horrible and effectively gives anyone save one option and it's the scariest thing about all of this.

You get to vote for something rooted in reality or a bunch of lunatics living in a made up fantasy land.

I didn't see that he'd done this, and now that you mention it he definitely did do something similar with Ukraine at first. Kinda makes me irrationally angry [but I'm actually not sure how he'd show support to Palestine still since the Hamas are the only group that he could really use to do that and they're not exactly the good guys either... He did recently command the US military to air drop supplies], but unfortunately anything Trump would do is going to be much worse so now's not the time to try and stick it to the DNC as a wider group. Next cycle is going to be another good opportunity since they won't be able to just put forth Biden again.

Problem

How exactly is Biden even an evil? So much discourse around him complains about his handling of Gaza and Ukraine lately.

What do people actually want him to do?

Feels like so many people saying I don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils or I'm going to vote third party slept through civics class and think that the President can do things like unilaterally declare war or distribute aid package to other countries. That's now how the US government works. Congress is the one who creates those packages.

Here's what he can do, officially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_president_of_the_United_States. I don't see much there that helps with any of the things people are complaining about. Pretty much any executive order he's tried to make has also been shot down by our current very useless Congress.

It's time to stop blaming the President for not doing the things he cannot do and start blaming our current Congress for being utterly useless. Get every obstructionist regressive Republican out of Congress and then we can blame Biden when we see him veto a bill that grants trans protections or aid to Ukraine and Palestine. Then we could call the man evil.

This is called agnosticism. It's great. If there is a god or God or gods it's not really "my" place to concern myself with them. There is no way to prove whether or not they exist. I was baptized as a child and i do not actually deny God (according to Christianity this is a cardinal sin) so by the tenants of Christianity if they are correct I'm eligible to go to heaven. Besides that I generally just aim to be an alright person doing outlandish things like treating others how I wish to be treated, and not stealing while sometimes volunteering at the local animal or homeless shelter.

If some pearl clutching Christian who pays lip service to God is going to get into heaven over me, I kinda don't want to go there anyway. I think I mostly stopped being a Christian because the sheer cognitive dissidence other Christians were causing for me with their actions was just too much for me to handle.

Mostly out of curiosity, what exactly makes Biden an evil in your mind? If it's the middle east what, exactly do you want him to do? The President doesn't possess the power to unilaterally declare war, all be can really do us shout at Israel to stop and strongly encourage Congress to do... Well anything at all.

What would make Biden a real evil, at least in my mind is if we had a functional legislative branch and he was vetoing every piece of aid they passed to those countries, or if he was overreaching with his executive orders to do things that blatantly belong to another branch of our government. Guess what Trump would do.

The only time the President really has much power is if they have a Congress that's aligned with their goals, and in the current cycle everything Biden has tried to do has been shot down by one of the other two braches. I suspect though, that if Congress passed an aid package to Ukraine or Palestine, Biden would not obstruct.

If it's because Bernie got shafted by the DNC and now we have Biden, I personally think given how our government works, Bernie can do way more good in the Senate than he could ever do as a president, and we need to load Congress up with as many people who idealistically align with him or at least, don't conflict and are willing to actually run our government.

Still has a lot of the same underlying issues discord has. It's not indexable being the biggest. The reality is that services like stack overflow or an issue tracker like bugzilla, or your local git services issues section or discussion section, hell even something like discourse or even mailing lists, just work better. If someone made an im service that could be indexed by search engines and the like, now we'd be talking. Opensorce design and discussion doesn't really benefit that much from closed ecosystems and end to end encryption in most cases.

I guess though at least with matrix someone could make a service that acts as a client and indexes content from a list of channels or something...

Discord, matrix, slack and telegram are where documentation goes to die in the current state of things though.

Without the Palestinians

Holy shit, a Christian who actually stidies the Bible... You're basically a unicorn.

Romans 2:14;15 is my favorite thing to point out to the you're going to hell because you're not a Christian crowd. So baby of them like to preach that God is all loving and good and then are so quick to point out that because they pay lip service to their faith that they get to go to heaven and everyone else goes to hell despite them being obviously terrible people.

I like to think there are a lot more like you and your type just tends to be the silent majority because it let's me keep some faith in humanity...

It does certainly feel a bit like it's feeding into a stereotype.

Holy crap no. I'm saying Biden has been actively good (to my surprise, but I digress) and to not want to vote for him "being the lesser of two evils" shows a disconnect from reality on par with the current state of the Republican everything.

A huge chunk of that 'good' never coming to light is a combination of media just never talking about it, and conservatives and regressives in Congress actively blocking his efforts (the most well known instance of this being the student loan debt forgiveness)

This thread is about people who refuse to vote for biden because he is the lesser of two scrolls, my original point was that giving people retoric like "a vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump" is a bad faith argument, and using more grounded statements like "voting for Biden is the best way to ensure we don't get another term of Trump."

Meanwhile it's also with pointing out to the third party people who refuse to vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils that Biden is in fact not even an evil, and that he actively tried to do a lot of good. If we can stack congress with same congress people who have better things to given than people's genitals age bedrooms and some decent bills make their way across his desk, he's probably not going to veto them.

Some of the people using this argument are probably Bernie bros who are butthurt over Bernie stepping down in 2020 and the DNCs antics back in 2016. It's probably worth mentioning that right now Bernie can do a lot more good in the Senate than he can in the oval office, since we have a president who wouldn't block his policies. If Trump or Haley get into office that's not going to be the case and refusing to vote for Biden over that hurts their favorite politicians agenda a lot.