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What's painful about it? I'm sure those recently freed people are happy and feel a great weight lifted off thier shoulders.

Oh and that 500k number is people who have officially left I wonder how many more there are that just haven't done the paperwork.

Honestly it is good to see some Catholics actually have morals and are appalled by the church's actions. I know most do but I have to admit being disappointed that so few actually do anything about thier churchs' disgusting behaviour.

honestly sounds like a pretty common story.

Something heard here (well other atheist forums) over and over and over.

Boring. Mind you if people stuck in thier horrible religion find it read it and get out then great!

I was wondering about those top line (bottom line :-) numbers. They didn't seem far enough apart to be outside the margin of error. Looking at the trend graph though you can see things are just marching relentlessly in the right direction.

Yay

Yep, this court of yours :-), is allowing or manufacturing itself, reasons for cases to be taken up. I have been listening to the We Dissent podcast (https://pca.st/podcast/970b8dd0-a941-013a-d8b6-0acc26574db2) it is pretty outrageous the contortions they are willing to perform to allow shit cases to come to then so they can rule the way they want.

But the reason we’re talking about this is because anti-trans protestors want children to feel it’s dangerous and bad to be queer.

Indeed, which is gross and makes me very angry

Such a bubble seems workable to me, with the caveat of “during classes” or the like. If teachers are on strike, then there aren’t classes in session and thus it would be okay. And for BLM, a student-led rally could take place after classes, and a community-led rally during school hours would probably be much more effective if held elsewhere.

I like it. Nice. That could be a workable solution. I was concerned by phrases like: no protests against human rights. I manage understand what that means but I have zero confidence that police forces or conservative governments would ever do the right thing with that definition.

Sounds good but over hard for me.

Interesting we've been watching things here in the south end (the new south end) and things seem just as nuts as last year.

I agree that such protests are not a good thing to expose kids to but to creating a protest free bubble around every thing doesn't seem practical. As an example it would stop a rally in support of black lives matter as well. Or teachers striking.

Suddenly someone has to say what topics are allowed to have rallies and which are not. We don't want to live in that country.

I'd say the police should handle these differently. For example if the protesters are threatening to anyone in the location but I don't see any evidence that they would make even remotely good choices.

Having said that, the police do need to do a better job. It seems to me that if skuffles break out it probably means there is not enough separation between the protesters. I would also like to stop seeing the police helping fascists too but I doubt I will get that wish.

Yes

work in a context where the person exercising their speech feels some necessity to use it responsibly

Nice phrasing

However there are people with legitimate ( beliefs and ideas honestly held that they wish to discuss ) views that I worry are going to be silenced and further marginalized.

Sounds kind and charitable. It is not clear to me how universal this is given your opening paragraphs. I would agree that is they way it should be but I don't think that reflects how it is. We need to react based on the actual reality we live in.

However if these are honestly held beliefs that they are willing to engage in civil discourse around I don't think it's right to actually block them.

But what if there is a significant number of people who are just awful humans, or don't have a thought for learning, or are not being open or honest etc.

I support the idea of engagement and discussion but let's be honest there are people who aren't interested in that. There are people who are racist. There are people who really do think you and I are going to hell and they are happy to know that. Sorry there is a reason I don't associate with people like that in real life and I don't want to on line either.

It is not my mission to discuss this kind of thing with all those people. Trolls and awful humans sometimes do need to be ignored. Otherwise we cannot have interesting or productive conversations with anyone.

I say, let those that want to engage and learn find a server or community with standards that we can tolerate. Any community that doesn't have standards to keep reasonable order we should block.

I got 18 out of 20. I'm not going to be able to do all 152 :-)

No, when I google information I am looking for answers. If I want discussion I'll go to a form. There is no need to search for discussion.