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Whose got your favorite bass face?

I think mine is Sam Wilkes or Joe Dart.

Bassists are just translators between rhythm and melody instruments (source: bassist).

I understand your frustration, but unless the voting system is modified to approval or ranked choice you are probably not acting in your best interest voting for a third party. I hate that fact as much as you and I want to see it changed, but that's the reality of the system we're in.

Eurasian empires have been shaped by this for millenia. Nomadic horse tribes harass existing empire until it starts to crumble. Tribes annex land and establish new empire/ruling class and give up the nomadic lifestyle. New nomadic horse tribes show up and start harassing. Rulers who are only 1 or 2 generations removed from living a nomadic lifestyle and conquering call new group "barbarians" and "uncivilized" for their brutality. New horse tribes topple empire, rinse and repeat.

To list a few: Mongols, Turks, Huns, Scythians... It was like a revolving door until gunpowder showed up.

Each generation completely ignoring the atrocities of their forebears while also framing their successors as monsters. Tale as old as time.

Understood. Thank you for clarifying.

I don't understand your answer.

For simplicity let's say I found a brand new co-op that sells ice cream. I use my personal money to buy an ice cream van, do all the legal paperwork to form the company, buy all of the initial product that I'm going to sell. The first week goes well and the business looks promising, but I need some help so I hire someone. Let's say after 3 weeks we pay off all my initial investment, the van, the other start up costs. Now we're purely in profit mode - do we split the profit half and half? If so, I have made a terrible decision to start a business. I placed myself at financial risk for future profits while my employee took no risk and gained the same exact reward.

On the other hand, if we split the profits unequally in any way, how would that be different from the status quo? As soon as a company can choose unequal splitting of profits wouldn't self interest dictate the founder take the largest percentage as possible so long as it doesn't lose employees? If they can find employees willing to take 0% profit for a steady wage we are back where we started.

I suppose it depends on what is the collateral for the loan. Technically I think you could take out a business loan where the collateral isn't the business or its assets, but practically speaking what else would be used? Is the founder going to use their own personal property as collateral? Almost certainly not if they also have to share the profits of success.

For that matter how would banks work? Anyone working at the bank would share in the profits of loaning the depositor's money? That doesn't seem to follow the spirit of "sharing in the fruits of labor". The depositors are the ones laboring to earn the money, why should someone working at a bank get to profit from the interest earned on the fruits of their labor?

A solution to that would be the depositors earn the profit from loans, but then we're just back where we started. The more you can deposit and loan, the more you earn and labor becomes less and less significant. Also, what of the banker's labor then? Are they just paid a wage and have no share in the profits of the loans? That sounds very similar to a typical company today where the shareholders reap the profits from wage workers' labor. Will bankers be the working class of this new society?

What is the benefit to those founders? Why take on a loan or invest your own money if the rewards are split evenly between people that didn't take the risk? It seems like the smart thing to do would be a "non-founder" since you get all of the rewards for none of the risk. Since everyone's individual incentives are to not take the risk on starting something new I don't see how you would get new organizations.

How do new cooperatives form then? Who fronts the materials to start a new endeavor?

Honestly, I disagree. It is much more surprising to me that lifeforms I recognize are older than stars. They're different timescales in my mind that I never even considered comparing.

Wow, sharks @439mya, Polaris @70mya. They're more than 6 times older! This is NUTS!

Wow, fuck grandma. Why have modern convinces if you're still expected to work as hard as the last generation? Shouldn't our goal be that each generation has a shorter work week than the last?