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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Ideally you would have generated and saved a HASH before you copied your files as a control. Otherwise, it's just a probability game. If the HASH on copy 1&2 match, but doesn't match 3, then the probability is 1&2 are correct. If all three don't match, you toss a coin.

If you're on Windows, I recommend using Teracopy for all your file copying (always copy, never move!) and set verify on, which will perform a CRC and generate a HASH which you can then save. You can also use it to Test your files after the fact and generate a HASH.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Flash drives are the modern day floppies. Use them and when the fail, get a new one. Stick with the smaller sizes for the best price per GB.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Correct. But this thread is about drives listed on the manufacturers sites as of 11/26/23.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The best possible quality to rip to either .ISO, saving the entire DVD as an image or rip and remux, placing the video into another container. Both will give you 1:1 quality of the original.

MakeMKV can do both of these and is free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

A possible solution is VVV (Virtual Volumes View) to create an offline searchable database of your discs, then export to csv or txt and add your HASH in a separate column.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

What's really scary is that even if it's just a fraction of a percent, it's still tens or hundreds of TB of what's stored there. *SHUDDER*

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Really interested when we, hopefully, read the press statement from them regarding how much data was lost, even temporarily!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're HM-SMR (Host Managed-SMR) that requires specialized hardware and software. Which is why the article clearly states they're not for home users.

Read this and link about why Dropbox and other cloud providers are using them and HM-SMR is the future for larger hard drives.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/184vwtd/complete_list_of_smr_drives_as_of_112623/

 

Inspired by this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/184k6iu/are_nasrated_drives_really_worth_it/, here's AFAIK, the complete list of SMR drives as of 11/26/23. Any corrections are greatly appreciated. Hopefully this thread will be made a sticky. I will be using it a reference for the numerous times this question is asked.

Important note: There are three types of SMR drives, DM-SMR, HM-SMR and HA-SMR.

DM-SMR (Drive Managed-SMR) is the most common and are what 99.9% of drives that home consumers will buy. All write/read activities are handled by the drives electronics.

HM-SMR (Host Managed-SMR) write/read activities are as the name stated, handled by specialized off drive hardware and software. This what is used in the current 26TB WD Ultrastar, upcoming 28TB WD drive and likely the upcoming 30TB Seagate drive.

HA-SMR (Host Aware-SMR) - I don't fully understand how HA-SMR drives work, but they're not as efficient at handling writes HM-SMR and are likely to be widely implemented/available.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13z7w96/lets_discuss_dmsmr_hmsmr_hasmr_and_dropbox/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

https://zonedstorage.io/docs/getting-started/smr-disk

Barring any unfounded conspiracy theory, all generally available to the public >8TB drives 3.5" drives are not DM-SMR. While technically manufacturers could submarine SMR into drives once again, that would be utterly stupid and market suicide.

Thank you to HTWingNut for this list of current SMR drives.

WD Blue 8TB is a CMR drive and just as good as any NAS drive. But I'd avoid any consumer grade hard drives 8TB and under:

  • Seagate Barracuda / Barracuda Compute [My note: The 1TB Seagate Barracuda is CMR
  • WD Blue (except 8TB) [My note: 2-4TB drives may be CMR depending on model number]
  • WD Red (Red Plus and Red Pro are fine tho)
  • Toshiba DT02 [My note: 4/6TB]
  • Toshiba P300 [My note: 4/6TB]

All consumer 2.5" Seagate and WD drive >500GB are SMR. The 9.5mm Toshiba L200 1TB is CMR, but the 7mm model is SMR.

Seagate's 2.5" Exos E line are all CMR and tops out a 2.4TB (four, 600GB platters). The is/was (can't find it on Toshiba's site), a 1TB or possibly even 2TB Toshiba surveillance drive that is CMR.

https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/50697/~/steps-to-determine-if-an-internal-drive-uses-cmr-or-smr-technology

https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/company/news/news-topics/2020/04/storage-20200428-1.html

https://www.seagate.com/products/cmr-smr-list/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

DM-SMR is Drive Managed-SMR. All the write/read activity is handled by the onboard electronics.

HM-SMR is Host Managed-SMR. All write/read activity is handled by specialized external hardware and software. They're far from the capabilities of most home users today.

The current 26TB WD Ultrastar and upcoming 28TB WD drives are HM-SMR. The upcoming 30TB Seagate is also HM-SMR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13z7w96/lets_discuss_dmsmr_hmsmr_hasmr_and_dropbox/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

Your MaxDigitalData (MDD) drive is likely CMR because they're almost surely used enterprise drives. However, be careful as there was a user whose drive was HM-SMR and unusable.

MDD is a division of GoHardDrive and IMO, are drives that GoHardDrive doesn't want to sell under their own name. Also Avolusion (externals) is a division of GoHardDrive and has been reported to contain used drives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

For completeness, the external Seagate FireCudas, 3.5" 8TB and 2.5" 5TB are SMR.

 

Thank you to dobik for sharing this the news about Czech cloud provider Uloz implementing restrictions on users to only be able to access files they've uploaded. This is in anticipation of the Digital Services Act (DSA) scheduled to take effect February 17, 2024

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/18336f0/ulo%C5%BEto/

There's too much to personally absorb and decipher, so here's Google's search results for Digital Service Act. https://www.google.com/search?q=Digital+Services+Act+&sca_esv=585139827&ei=NyNhZayHHu6sur8PtoiiCA&ved=0ahUKEwjs_vWc192CAxVulu4BHTaECAEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Digital+Services+Act+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFURpZ2l0YWwgU2VydmljZXMgQWN0IDILEAAYgAQYigUYkQIyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARI9A5QyghY9ApwAHgCkAEAmAGWAaABmQKqAQMwLjK4AQPIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIGEAAYFhge4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

-Cut and paste from my comment to dobik's thread-

Thank you for sharing. Google translate does a good job of making the article readable.

My biggest concern is that this change is because of the Digital Services Act (DSA), which was established in August 2023 and is set to be implemented on February 17, 2024 throughout the EU. Some Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs) and Very Large Online Search Engines (VLOSEs), those with 45 million+ users in the EU have already been contacted as an informational notice of the requirements of the DSA. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/dsa-enforcement

Hosting companies are in the third tier of DSA pyramid, but other EU hosting companies will likely start changing their policies to ensure compliance.

What is the DSA?

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-services-act_en#:~:text=The%20DSA%20regulates%20online%20intermediaries,and%20the%20spread%20of%20disinformation.

Digital Services Act (DSA) overview

The DSA regulates online intermediaries and platforms such as marketplaces, social networks, content-sharing platforms, app stores, and online travel and accommodation platforms. Its main goal is to prevent illegal and harmful activities online and the spread of disinformation. It ensures user safety, protects fundamental rights, and creates a fair and open online platform environment.

What are the key goals of the Digital Services Act?

The DSA protects consumers and their fundamental rights online by setting clear and proportionate rules. It fosters innovation, growth and competitiveness, and facilitates the scaling up of smaller platforms, SMEs and start-ups. The roles of users, platforms, and public authorities are rebalanced according to European values, placing citizens at the centre.

The act covers all sectors of internet information, sharing and hosting.

All online intermediaries offering their services in the single market, whether they are established in the EU or outside, will have to comply with the new rules. Micro and small companies will have obligations proportionate to their ability and size while ensuring they remain accountable. In addition, even if micro and small companies grow significantly, they would benefit from a targeted exemption from a set of obligations during a transitional 12-month period.

 

I just checked two random locations and they're available for pickup. They were mostly unavailable earlier this week, so it seems they were holding back stock for day and possibly Cyber Monday.

I personally won't buy externals anymore because of the following, but may worth it for some of you. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

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