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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Chelsea and Everton the "most improved" while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve always been so apprehensive at how quickly the public adopted it as the end-all-be-all stat. It’s flawed and subjective (the fact different sites have different models). It’s similar to how basketball fans use the TS% to settle debates nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think this should be viewed at the end of the season.

Because every time I've watched either Everton or Chelsea they've looked much better than they did last season, and typically performances come before results.

But if you were to ask me the two most improved clubs in terms of performance this season I would say Chelsea and Everton, closely followed by us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chelsea and Everton the "most improved" while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

Except Everton have been pretty good and are easily the most underrated team in the leauge. I'd argue they were pretty unlucky and were shit aginst Luton which apparently is the only relevant game of the season for judging them on. If anything, their quality on the pitch compared with their xG is a lot more similar than when compared to how many points they've gained.

xG is worthless for you because you couldn't finish of a virgin who'd been edging for 8 hours.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

>Active in /r/Genshin_Impact

>Insults others serial prowess

Excuse me while I go die laughing

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Can’t read it because paywall but do they say why they excluded penalties? I understand it for players but surely for teams conceding/earning a penalty would be relevant to the overall point of this graphic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So up and to the left is ideal?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No up and to the right is best, the x axis is xG conceded per game, and it’s descending

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Up and to the right is ideal? That means you conceded less xG and created more xG.

So Everton are the most improved side in the league? Makes sense given their performances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It’s either Everton or Chelsea. Quite hard to really say who from this graph

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After the initial outrage over the 10pt deduction dies down, Toffees would be secretly happy that it came at the best time for them.

Last season, they're relegated. Earlier this season when they were on a bad run and suddenly the doom and gloom around the club could've spiralled. Later this season and they wouldn't have the games left to react.

But now, in a good run, with enough games to go and the siege mentality setting in with very low risk of actual relegation = best outcome of a bad situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wouldn’t say very low risk tbh. Form can change. They’re probably going to be safe though.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It could also have spelled disaster for them in most other seasons when competition at the bottom of the table is tougher. This season, 30 points will most likely be enough to stay up because there's 3-4 teams which aren't PL-ready and completely outmatched.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gary O'Neil out! All that alleged 'improvement' and Wolves are still as shit as Man United.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

United’s vibe is basically ‘what if we tried to press like Tottenham but weren’t very good at it?’ — they force a lot of high turnovers but allow chances at about the same rate as Wolves and Nottingham Forest.

This line cracked me up LMAO

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Defensively we’re basically the exact same as Spurs. Except we’ve had about 30 injuries.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sean Dyche improving Everton in both directions, impressive stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most surprising thing upon his introduction last season, even though results didn't go brilliantly, was that our xG shot up massively in the second half of the season. xG conceded also went up a bit I think though. So even more impressive that after he improved xG a lot in the second half of the season, this season is a massive improvement again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it even an unpopular opinion to think he keeps them up even with -10 points? They look significantly better than the 3 teams closest to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No I think general consensus is we're 4th most likely to go down still with a bit of a gap between us and the 3 promoted sides. The bookies have us 2/1 to go down and those 3 all odds on. But you never know, if we pick up some injuries and any one of them hit a bit of form doubts could creep back in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Dyche is good, probably the best active English manager.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Our attack has taken a massive hit 😭

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Would rather have this than the other way around. We'll click eventually

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We also haven't had a single game with a preferred starting XI. How much have we seen a midfield of Partey, Odegaard, and Rice? A single half against City? Imagine how much ball progression alone would improve with the full team

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Even if Havertz is the new preferred left 8, we still haven’t had a starting lineup that contains rice Havertz Ødegaard Martinelli Jesus saka (hopefully we see it today)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Brentford, Luton and Burnley be like: Imma stay here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not brentford. It's Sheffield United.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of the main aspects of a good graph is that the audience should be able to easily understand the data within 30 seconds. This graph is not such a graph.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really?

The badges are large enough to be legible without being so large their crowd each other too much.

The line is obviously connecting 2 points, one being the badge, and the change in width tells you immediately that's it's a progression from the thin point to the thick one. They're also coloured well so you can immediately tell who is who.

There are lines on the background to help group without even using the axes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can also tell because the newly promoted sides are just the badge, so the badge has to represent this year.

Also, it says it at the top of the graph.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There is even a graphic at the top explaining this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If it takes you more than 30 seconds to read the title, axes and look at the lines then idk what to tell you.

Could it be simpler? Sure. Is it so confusing that it should take someone who has heard about xG longer than a minute to understand? i dont think so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Such a cool way of visually putting things

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting to note we're producing less xG in attack and conceding less xG in defence, despite the general sense that Ange is less pragmatic and more daring than Conte. The eye test, and my own observation, seem to directly disagree with the underlying stats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spurs are exceeding their xG by quite a bit. But you're also reading this wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How am I reading it wrong? which direction is the line moving?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You're reading it wrong. The graphic is showing increases in both

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Arsenal really became defend and corners FC lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

More balls but less penetration

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Severely low xG conceded doesn't mean "defend" more of the game, on the contrary it means you have a better control of the game. You are essentially allowing fewer opportunities for the opposition to have a glimpse of your side of the pitch. Teams that defend more, often concede a big xG, and if they have good defenders then their xG per shot would be lower. But yeah, pure low xG is all about controlling the game and the ball.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Everton and Chelsea with the best development, Manchester United with the worst

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We are way more controlled this year for sure. Having some injuries/ walking wounded hasn’t helped us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I got a feeling we just going to have plenty of draws this season.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fair play to Everton, knew they would perform better in Dyches first full season. Just a shame about the points deduction but they will sill stay up imo.

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