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• The title refers to the Homer’s “Odyssey” when Odysseus’ voyage reached the land of the Lotus-eaters. These people’s primary food source was the fruit and flowers of the lotus, which was powerfully narcotic, and caused those of Homer’s crew who ate it to forget their desire to return home.

• Pike’s personal log records the stardate as 1630.1. Ortegas’ personal logs record the stardate as 1630.3, and 1632.2.

Episode Stardate
“The Broken Circle” 2369.2
“Ad Astra per Aspera” 2393.8
”Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow” 1581.2

• The USS Cayuga previously appeared in “A Quality of Mercy”.

• Captain Batel gives Pike an Opelian mariner’s keystone, a device worn by ancient Opelian captains to ”guide lost sailors home.” Another reference to Odysseus’ journey.

    • Batel says she found the keystone on a planet which the subtitles spelled ”Galt.” Worf lived for a time on Gault with his adopted mother and brother, and headbutt another child to death there during a soccer match; that world’s name was pronounced the same as this.

• Captain Patel was passed over for a promotion to commodore; she believes it’s a result of Admiral Pasalk punishing her for losing the trial against Number One in “Ad Astra per Aspera”.

• Rigel VII was first mentioned in “The Menagerie, Part I”. Pike and crew were shown via Talosian record, and Pike and Doctor Boyce discussed losing three crew people on the away mission, and its impact on Pike. In “The Menagerie, Part II” we saw that the Talosians forced Pike to relive his fight with one of the brutish Kalar.

• Number One describes Rigel VII as ”a remote M-class planet”. However, there are several other inhabited worlds in the Rigel system:

    • Rigel II - According to “Shore Leave”, Bones was familiar with two women from a chorus line in a cabaret there

    • Rigel III - In the alternate future of “All Good Things…” Geordi retired to this world with his wife to become an author

    • Rigel IV - The entity Jack the Ripper resided there for a while, murdering women to feed its need for fear, and possessed Hengeist before moving on to Argelius II to continue in “Wolf in the Fold”

    • Rigel V - The homeworld of the Rigelians, first mentioned in “Journey to Babel”

    • Rigel VI - I would argue that the canonicity of this world being habitable is dubious at best, as it’s only mentioned on a menu screen in the post credits commercial for Tribbles cereal at the end of “The Trouble with Edward”

    • Rigel X - A colony world occupied by a wide variety of aliens, seen in “Broken Bow”.

    • Rigel XII - The earliest mention of a planet in the Rigel system, in “Mudd’s Women” the USS Enterprise stopped there to negotiate purchase of lithium crystals to replace the cracked lithium crystal circuits necessary for controlling the ship’s power flow from the warp core.

    • The “Star Trek: Star Charts” have attempted to reconcile this abundance of worlds by relabelling the Rigel star close to the Sol system in the star chart seen in “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” as Beta Rigel. This would be where Rigel X is located, considering it was the first planet visited by the NX-01 after launching from Earth. Presumably, Rigel II, Rigel III, Rigel IV, and Rigel V as well. Rigel VII and Rigel XII would be more remote, where the actual Rigel star is, some 860 light years from Earth. The map of the Alpha and Beta quadrants seen in Admiral Clancy’s office in “Remembrance” did have that star labelled as Beta Rigel as well, but there is nothing official stating that the various worlds are in that system.

• The display for information for the Enterprise’s first mission to Rigel VII, five years earlier, says the stardate was 2455.4. If Pike is Odysseus, I am Sisyphus.

”Last time we went down there we were in uniform; I am not making that mistake twice.” Despite the prime directive an concerns about altering cultural development, during TOS it still seemed to be general policy for Starfleet crews to beam down to pre-warp civilizations in uniform, with their gear.

”I like her,” Number One says of Batel, the woman who arrested her in “A Quality of Mercy”, and prosecuted criminal charges against her based solely on her species in “Ad Astra per Aspera”.

• In her quarters, Ortegas has models of Constitution, Walker, and NX-class starships.

• Ortegas refers to the Kalar as Kalarans. Apparently ”Recon 101” does not include more than skimming the mission brief.

”I may not be Erica Ortegas, but I was a test pilot, remember?” “Light and Shadows” established that Pike’s first assignment out of Starfleet Academy was test pilot.

• The away team’s shuttle is the Cervantes, which was introduced in “All Those Who Wander”.

”We’ve got subdermal universal translators.” This is the first mention of Starfleet personnel having translators implanted beneath the skin. In “Little Green Men” we saw that Ferengi had translators implanted in the ear canal, but Starfleet translators have always been part of the communicator or combadge, a function of the ship or station, or a wholly separate device.

• The Kalar palace is featured in season two’s opening credits.

• The type-3 phasers the Kalar carry are identical to the ones introduced in season one of DIS.

    • The Kalar have at least eight type-3s, which raises the question of how many they took with them to during the first away mission.

• Yeoman Zac Nguyen has been taken in by the Kalar and given a position of authority as High Lord Zacarias.

    • In "Bread and Circuses", Merchant Marine captain, and Starfleet Academy dropout, R.M. Merik was stranded on a planet where he became First Citizen Merikus of a society that mirrored Earth's Roman empire.

    • In "Patterns of Force", former Starfleet Academy history instructor, John Gill introduced the planet Ekos to the concept of fascism, and set himself up as Fuhrer, because he believed fascism to be the most efficient form of government, meaning John Gill was terrible at both understanding history, and not getting assassinated by members of the explicitly Nazi party he installed on an independent world.

    • In “The Omega Glory”, Captain Tracey integrated himself with the Kohms assumed a position of authority.

    • In “All the World’s a Stage” we saw the Enderprizians, who took in ensign David Garrovick and made him to be a heroic figure, En Son.

• The radiation affecting the Enterprise crew doesn’t appear to be something Number One’s Illyrian healing glow works against, despite the fact that we’ve seen her survive the radiation of a near warp core breach in “Ghosts of Illyria”.

• Ortegas’ file says she was born in 2233, making her 26 years old. Melissa Navia is 38.

    • The files specifies, “Lieutenant Ortegas is a 23rd century Federation Starfleet officer.” Presumably it’s necessary for the files to have information about the century in which an officer serves due to all the time travel.

• The Enterprise computer illuminates wall panels to guide Ortegas to her quarters. In “Encounter at Farpoint” Riker was guided to the holodeck and Data by a similar system.

• La’an and Doctor M’Benga once again share the gesture where they trace a line under the right eye with their index finger. They did this in “Strange New Worlds” and “The Broken Circle”.

• Pike makes the decision to remove the asteroid emitting the radiation causing the Kalar to forget from the surface of the planet, back to the debris field in orbit. Spock asks if it’s a violation of the Prime Directive, and Pike claims that it’s not because the asteroid interfered with the natural development of the planet for thousands of years. We’ve previously seen Pike make such unilateral decisions to ignore General Order 1 in “The Sound of Thunder” when the USS Discovery was used to amplify a signal that triggered puberty for every Kelpien on Kaminar.

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[–] ToddyB@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago

Thanks for doing these! One of my favorite things from the old site-who-shall-not-be-named

[–] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

The files specifies, “Lieutenant Ortegas is a 23rd century Federation Starfleet officer.” Presumably it’s necessary for the files to have information about the century in which an officer serves due to all the time travel.

Ha, this is great. 😄 I wonder if they just copied her Memory Alpha article?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Rigel VII was first mentioned in “The Menagerie, Part I”.

I would be so mad were it not for the fact that "The Cage" first aired in '88.

"The Cage" only aired because of the writer's strike at the time, and "The Menagerie" episodes recuts to the ending of "The Cage" into the ending to be completely different, which is then reinforced by Vina's appearance in "If Memory Serves". Personally, I think the only things that are canon in "The Cage" are the scenes we see in "The Menagerie" two parter. Which, to be fair, is most of it.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

haha ... yes ... thought exactly the same thing!

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a heads up, I've altered the formatting on this post, because I didn't like the way the lists were appearing when viewed on mobile. Everything is looking good on my end, but if something appears jacked up to you, please let me know so I can attempt to fix it.

[–] exscape@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The third paragraph is wacky on Kbin, but probably because the Markdown syntax isn't 100% compatible with Lemmy.

It looks exactly the same when I copy and paste it:

EpisodeStardate“The Broken Circle”2369.2“Ad Astra per Aspera”2393.8”Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow”1581.2• The USS Cayuga previously appeared in “A Quality of Mercy”.

I'm guessing that's a table, which Kbin doesn't realize is a thing.

Thanks!

You're right that bit is a table. Not really sure what I can do so that it appears correctly with Kbin.

[–] Sunspear 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you for these excellent posts!

[–] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 8 points 1 year ago

• ”We’ve got subdermal universal translators.” This is the first mention of Starfleet personnel having translators implanted beneath the skin. In “Little Green Men” we saw that Ferengi had translators implanted in the ear canal, but Starfleet translators have always been part of the communicator or combadge, a function of the ship or station, or a wholly separate device.

Subcutaneous transponders have been part of the Trek lore since "Patterns of Force" though, and Archer had one implanted in "Stratagem". Given that there's no reason to believe that the Ekosians spoke English (at best you might expect German) it seems likely that these shared the UT functions that the other communications gear has.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

”I like her,” Number One says of Batel, the woman who arrested her in “A Quality of Mercy”, and prosecuted criminal charges against her based solely on her species in “Ad Astra per Aspera”.

Yeah, Una's attitude towards Starfleet in general and Batel in particular does seem a bit unrealistic. Does she respect duty above everything? Can't be that, because then she'd never have let Pike cover for her!

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In Beta canon material, Illyrians are supposed to be fairly enlightened, on the same level as Vulcans, and Una was raised by Illyrians. I could see that iteration of Number One finding it fairly easy to forgive Captain Batel, understanding that she was just doing her job, and being able to see past any personal feelings of resentment.

But so far as SNW is concerned, the Illyrians seem to just be the X-Men, so I don't even know.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Given what we've heard about Illyrian society in SNW it doesn't seem particularly enlightened! Honestly feels like they should just have had Pike have that conversation with someone else, but stuck with Una just because they didn't have anyone who had spoken to Batel onscreen.

I think Number One is supposed to be Pike's friend and confidant, similar to Sisko and Dax's relationship in DS9.

Who else is he going to confide in on this matter. Spock giving Pike relationship advice would be pretty wack.

Spock: Captain, I could not help but notice that the USS Cayuga warped away sooner than expected given your relationship with Captain Batel. The crew assumed you would want some "alone time" as ensign Uhura put it. I will not repeat what lieutenant Ortegas said.
Pike: Wait, you guys talk about my love life on the bridge?
Spock: Indeed. It is a matter of some interest.
Pike: Okay, I'm not exactly comfortable with that.
Spock: Captain, if you and Captain Batel are experiencing...difficulties, I would be happy to demonstrate some neuro-pressure massage techniques which can be quite stimulating. T'Pring has said I am particularly skilled, and as you are aware, Vulcans cannot lie.
Pike: Okay, now I'm really uncomfortable with this.

I suppose Doctor M'Benga could sub in as confidant instead.

[–] const_void@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We had wondered for a moment if Batel was imaginary; that episode proved she was not.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She didn't have Pike cover for her because she turned herself in. When exactly that happened in the four months between her telling Pike and her actual confession is unknown.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would have to assume that Number One was arrested fairly quickly after she leaked the information about herself. All things considered, it doesn't seem like the sort of thing Starfleet was willing to just sit on.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it depends, on a few factors. Patel and Pike were both around the Neutral Zone at the beginning of the episode (A Quality of Mercy), so the Enterprise and Cayuga are in general proximity to each other. Patel mentions that she has a "date on the far side of the Neutral Zone," so I think it's safe to assume here that they are headed in opposite directions.

Dependent upon how much time the episode actually covers; how much time elapses between the Enterprise and Cayuga going their separate ways and Pike making their way to Outpost 4 (I assume they traveled there), that would take some time.

This also depends on where and when Una turned herself in too. She would have sent the message to Starfleet, who would in turn have to contact the nearest ship (here the Cayuga), and then have Patel rendezvous with Enterprise.

I think a week is a conservative estimate...but I'm also looking for Stardates, and unfortunately I can't make any sense out of them.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I assumed that quite some time had elapsed and that was why Pike didn't have an answer for Batel when she put him on the (imaginary) stand.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

During the hearing Una was asked when she told Pike, and it comes out that 4 months had elapsed. I don't recall if it's four months between her telling Pike and turning herself in, or her arrest.

[–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Trouble With Edward is indeed canon. Somewhere in the Federation, there's Tribbles cereal, and someone who believes in it enough to make commercials for it.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The Trouble With Edward" is canon, but Gene Roddenberry himself could descend from the heavens on the back of Kukulkan with Jeffery Combs riding shotgun to tell me that the Tribbles cereal commercial is canon, and my response would be, "Okay, but is it though?"

[–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I prefer the version of the future that contains that one dude who thinks hairy cereal is an absolute banger idea.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Wasn't the advert at the end the dying fantasy of H Jon Benjamins character as he got crushed by Tribbles?

[–] JWBananas@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Enterprise computer illuminates wall panels to guide Ortegas to her quarters. In “Encounter at Farpoint” Riker was guided to the holodeck and Data by a similar system.

And IIRC it was introduced as being a relatively modern innovation in UX. So that's a continuity break.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And IIRC it was introduced as being a relatively modern innovation in UX. So that’s a continuity break.

Only implicitly. In "Encounter at Farpoint" the obvious implication is that the computer being able to pinpoint a crew person is new functionality; the ensign says, *"You must be new to these Galaxy-class starships, sir," and then gets the computer to tell her the exact location of Data, at which point it begins showing the route. However, it's never explicitly said that the computer's ability to direct someone to a location is new to the Galaxy-class, so it's definitely not a canon break, and is at worst a bit of a mild bending.

Really, do you want the Enterprise to have less functionality than the smart lights in someone's home?

[–] JWBananas@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On Enterprise they just call them lights.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The literally just had an episode to explain continuity breaks being timeline ripples moving events about.

[–] lorax@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

This episode reminded me of the Original Series “This Side of Paradise” and it made me wonder if we will hear more about Leila Kolomi the biologist. Leila talks about her falling in love with Spock 6 years prior….which would be in the timeline of SNW!

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