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I bought a second hand NUC to have a little more horsepower to run various services. I have it connected to my NAS, but almost all of the docker volumes reside on the SSD in the NUC.

It would be nice to be able to backup those volumes to my NAS in case the NUC fails. I have Debian 12 running on it.

What are my options ? Should I just backup my docker volumes or does it make more sense to backup the entire NUC ? (I'm less tech savvy then I might appear. Please be generous with your explanation, I still have a lot to learn)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I dont use volumes at all and instead use bind mounts so i can just back up those folders

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Use XFS as file system and use --reflink when you copy the volumes, creates an instant CoW copy no matter how big the folder is. You can then move, copy or whatever that folder to anywhere, or use a VM and simply backup the VM.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Do you have any detailed guide on this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use zfs mirror 2x SSD for cache data snapshot no need to stop or restart docker 0 downtime and super easy and fast to restore data like 1 second and it's done

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Be aware that databases might be corrupted by snapshots

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. Any database in the last 20 years supports WAL, this advice is straight out of 2005

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That’s good to know then

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can create NFS Docker Volumes that are mounted through docker and reside on the NAS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Databases don’t line nfs. What are some other options?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

RemindMe! 1 day

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wow people are recommending a lot of things I don’t do and now I’m worried I’m doing something wrong.

I just have a folder on my Ubuntu boot drive called Docker with all of the persistent data from my containers. And I just tell Duplicati to backup that folder to BackBlaze. I don’t stop the containers to do that. Am I doing something wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

IMHO not really.

There is the slight chance that DBs get inconsistent with backing up hot DB files, but in a homelab with minimal load this is usually not an issue. Same for NFS.

Just make sure you have older backups, too. Just in case the last backup was not good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some people would say that you're doing something wrong by using Duplicati, because they've had problems restoring data and it's very slow, so if you've never had to restore data before you should test that to check that it works, and maybe switch to something else like Borg to be safe.

Also, backing up the folder without stopping the containers first might result in any backed up databases being corrupt, so if you're running anything that uses databases, you should stop those containers before backing up the folder.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How would you automate the stopping of the containers?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure, but I think you'd just need to create a script which stops them, runs the backup, and then restarts them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you just need to backup Docker Volumes, I recommend Nautical.

You can use it to backup to an NFS share if you need to go between Machines.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Those backing up bind mounted volumes, what user does your backup program run as? The data inside bind mounts can have very random user IDs depending on the container including files owned by root.
Does your backup have to run as root in order to capture all files and retain permissions?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Nop, docker volumes bring me anxiety since I have no clue where are the files located. I always go with directory binding, I retain full control, master of my files, captain of my soul.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I use restic. Stop the container, run backup, start container. you can script it to run every night or something.