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Hi I am currently struggling with deciding between Pis (all variants e.g. Orange Pi) and Nucs as I can't find any for a reasonable price. Do you guys have any recommandation for me? German/European Stores maybe? I am looking for the best efficency to performance ratio for a low price. Basically just small computing units that I can cluster ideally in a 1U Rackmount.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I decided to go with Tiny/Mini/Micros personally. It consumes more than a Pi but it's also more powerful. I can find second-hand TMMs locally with 8th gen Intel i5 for almost the same price as a Pi kit (Some Single Board Computers looks affordable, but you often need to add storage, a power brick, an enclosure, which can add up quickly!)

I use TMMs with a mix of 6th-gen and 8th-gen Intel i5. The 6th gen are decent for my needs, but the >7th-gen's iGPU supports more codecs, which is useful if you want to stream HEVC. i5-8500T also have 2 more cores than i5-6500T!

Edit: those TMMs are used in a lot of businesses and often replaced every 3-4 years. They may be slightly more power hundry than newer hardware, but I like to think I am saving them from being e-waste!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Another vote for TMM. Pi type devices will use less power at idle but probably by only around 5w. I have a Pi 4 that idles at 4-5w and HP Elitedesk g5 with i5 8500t that sits at around 9w. The performance difference between the two is night and day. Used Intel 8th gen really is getting to be the sweet spot with regard to price, performance, and efficiency.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What do you mean Tiny/Miny/Micros?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are Ultra Small Form Factors PCs from the big brands. Lenovo ThinkCenter Tiny, HP EliteDesk/ProDesk Mini and Dell Optiplex Micro. They are small, quiet, they don't pull a lot of power and they are not too expensive when you get second-hand ones that are decomissioned from business environments.

The only thing is that they don't have a lot of room for expansion/storahe. Some some have 1x M.2 port for NVMe + 1x 2.5" slot, some have 2x M.2 ports. Most don't have PCie ports (apart a few Tinys) but if you want affordable nodes, they can be great!

Edit: you can read more here https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you intend to use it for? I replaced my ryzen box with an OrangePi5 for power consumption reasons. Obviously the performance is not even close but turns out it was enough for Jellyfin, torrenting, pihole, and a Minecraft server.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm curious, can it handle transcoding? using the RPi 4 while direct playing works great, but for transcoding not so much... I see the OrangePi5 8GB is currently at 85$ looks like a good deal to me. The MC server would be another plus.

Do you know other alternatives like the OrangePi?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't managed to get the GPU properly working when passed through to a Jellyfin docker container, I think you need to recompile ffmpeg or something. If you can get that working I imagine the G610 would be great for it.

Software transcoding though has been great, I don't need it too often but it's a lot beefier than the Pi4 so I've had no troubles.

I don't know much about other alternatives, but my understanding is they'll mostly be between the performance of the Pi and any RK3588 board like the OrangePi. When you're looking for one, make sure it has an armbian image.

Edit: I managed to get hardware transcoding using docker.io/jjm2473/jellyfin-mpp.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Go on ebay and look at used at used USSF, 1 liter PCs (see https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/).

Depending on what you need to do, thin clients may also be a great fit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Keep tabs on https://rpilocator.com/ to check stock of Pi retailers around the globe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you need gpio pins, or an x86 architecture, get whatever is cheaper.

Things to keep in mind. Nuc's tend to use special power adaptors, but have more raw horsepower. Pi's can be driven via PoE. I have both and use both for different things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well I want to do HA cluster with proxmox. Technically that requires x86 but if I understood the github page correctly pimox should be compatible to create a hybrid cluster. Because of the HA I am going to run them 24/7 which is why I want to have them a low energy to computation ratio. Any recommandations for stores ? But yeah the

get whatever is cheaper

Is the question. I am not able to compare them as I am lacking a bit of knowledge about stores and retailers

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