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I diagrammed out my home lab/home server setup, mostly to keep a complete overview of how everything connects. I didn't want to get bogged down in aesthetics around colour scheme, or layout -- as you can no doubt tell. After a while diagramming it started to feel like a meme where I was trying to convey some crazy conspiracy theory on a wall of pinned paperwork and connecting threads. I think I am done documenting everything. But now I am wondering how obsessive I should be about detailing every little thing and VLANs and IP assignments. I don't really care if it looks like a dog's dinner, I really just care about "okay, where does this wire go to?" Is that the right approach?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s mostly semantics, for me at least.

I have only one NAS, and one Proxmox host that is up 24/7, so they are in production.

I regularly tinker with those two as well, it’s all part of my lab.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

/u/justinrlloyd do you have photos of your chore board. Definitely at the point in my life that when I saw that I got really excited.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Bro, you are running a small/medium size office at this point. Not a home lab. This MF has a rack in 2 different data centers. What are you using those racks for? Off side backups? Redundancy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Stops being a homelab when you have SLA’s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You, diagram? I just keep throwing crap into the mix and trying to remember which vlan and ip scheme its supposed to use and which device has access. Order is for work, Chaos is for personal enjoyment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you can turn it off and still do things, it's a homelab. If you run services on it that are vital to your home, then it's a home server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this is much more than many people on here are ready to undertake.

Also, homelab is a kinda vague designation, so it stops being one when you say so. I know people who call homelabs their NAS running a couple of containers, so go crazy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

A nas with containers IS a homelab, bros just on a smaller scale, love not hate :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

A homelab is whatever you use to tinker and try things out A homeserver is whatever you use for stable workloads

Both can coexist at the time

Next level is a home datacenter, and that's where you have a 24 U rack or something that shouldn't fit in an apartment You have a homedatacenter!

I'm if you can post more about the hardware software and network config really curious about your setup, it looks well thought

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ummmm my 375 TB array and 256 GB of GPU is a home lab thank you very much. I’ve only got 18U of 24 filled!

Side note: how should we brag about gpu power? What is the proper metric/terminology?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think kWh is the correct unit :)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It stops being homelab when the focus goes from labbing to production, when it becomes a homeprod enviroment instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My take too.

A lab is a testing space, a playground, something that can be brought up and down and broken and fixed at will. It will be destroyed and rebuilt frequently.

As soon as it stops being possible to do that without someone (even if just yourself) getting annoyed that a service or functionality isn't working, then you've graduated to homeproduction/homeserver/homedatacentre (depending on its size!).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's not truly prod unless you're messing with it, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

90% of the posts here are homeprod.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Nothing more permanent than a temporary fix as well?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

homelab and homeservices should be 2 different things and separated as much as possible but can share some like a network. Not sure why you to trace where connected where, use UniFi network diagram and some IPAM solution to track VLANS an IP addresses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A bit off topic but I want to see some IRL pictures of all that stuff lol

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s a homelab when I’m just screwing around with some new software just to test it out. It becomes homeserver when I need to schedule maintenance windows to update things.

That’s part of the reason why I scaled back a lot of the stuff I had at home a few years ago. I maintain enough of this stuff at work. I don’t want to do it at home.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I have no personal connection to the building, is it a house lab?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Gotta turn the labhouse into a labhome

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

home datacenter would be the term

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well you see... if your home labbing a home lab in a sub reddit called homelab, its probably going to be en grained as a homelab

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Good God, man! On the one hand, I think you are absolutely insane. But on the other, I am completely envious. Rock on!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Adding ip address is a good idea, even if it is in foot note fashion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's always been a home server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When I liked have a AD domain and DHCP running on it and the whole Media server part as well. I am working to seperate the two and have running my lab off of old Dell desktops from the servers I was using since my power bill went up. Also anything like my game server, Media Server, and Casa OS server and AD server I have moved to micro PC's when I feel like blowing stuff up it wont affect the entire house.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Home datacenter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

homelab = everything is in prod

homeserver = you have a dev/prod environment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You are asking the wrong question... when does server become lab (multiple servers).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

This has evolved to a HomeCloud setup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Most people have a homeprod... Some of us also have a homeLab! (Modified from an old IT saying)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Can you do rm -rf / on everything in your “lab”? Yes: still a lab. No: not a lab.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Tell me you take adderall without telling me you take adderall. OP was locked in on this one boys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

A homeserver is just a component(s) of your homelab...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

God damn dude. You are running a medium size office at this point. Not a home lab. Also why did you decide to go with 2 different data center and what's the purpose of the data center in taxes(I can't see the text very well from mobile). Also what is your current IP schema for home and DC.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The meaning of "homelab" has changed over the years. Originally it was literally just having the hardware you'd find in the lab at home. e.g. you were taking classes for a CCNA and instead of going to the school's lab for hands-on with the hardware you'd just replicate the setup at 'home'. Nothing in the setup would be relied on beyond the specific thing you're testing in the moment. If you're going to stick to the original intent of the name, anything beyond "lab" use wouldn't be "homelab".

Now it skews more to meaning anything you're using to learn the technology even if you're using it as the equivalent of production and rely on it being up as a part of your daily life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

are you running 9" displays in place of physical photos in frames? Curious how this is setup. Is there a write-up somewhere?

edit: same for "the wall" with the 6x 55" screens.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Holy shit.. thats quite a "home" enterprise

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

We need some pictures

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't see a single other person mentioning it, so I'll just say it: 52TB of flash storage alone is enough to make me jealous. 52TB of flash storage in an RV is just a few more layers on top.

Sad that the picture-wall project repository isn't open on github - I hoped to see it in action. Seems very neat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When I started doing informal change control reviews with family and scheduling disruptive work outside of peak windows to avoid "user impact" - also having critical hot spares available, haha.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Questions: Are you in deep shit if the cat bathroom rack goes down?

Jukebox project sounds cool. Any extra info on that?

What's the deal with the Oh-Fuck server in the arcade cabinet?

Also, 84 cores in the arcade cabinet? Just... damn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I am working on the build log for the jukebox project. It'll be on github eventually.

I have a $700 Tyan motherboard in my workstation. When I was moving the motherboard from one case to another, I scraped the underside of the motherboard against the metal case and broke off a number of small SMT caps and resistors. In the middle of the pandemic. In the middle of a project. So I had to jump on Amazon and have a new motherboard shipped to me next day whilst I RMA'd the damaged one. What do you say when you break your workstation motherboard in a moment of casual clumsiness? "Well... fuck!"

The jukebox is a "retro" jukebox. Wood grain, lots of tactile buttons. Two 14" 4160x1100 pixel touch screens with a vacuum fluroescent display graphic effect that shows the tracks. Click an arcade button, play that track. So it looks like those old-style jukebox devices you'd find in a diner. There are two 1920x1080 flexible touchscreens (though I have them encased so they are just permanently curved touchscreen displays), that let you navigate the full library, show album artwork, search box, etc. It's all driven by a single Raspberry Pi with a 4TB USB SSD for storage, and everything syncs to the music directory on my Synology NAS.

Am I in deep shit? Only if I don't clean the litter box in the "Cat Bathroom." So the only thing that can really go wrong is the power going out. Everything else is sort of redundant, and you can route around it by moving a few cables. I guess the UDM Pro SE taking a shit would cause me some issues. Or the cable modem. Everything else, though used daily and to its fullest extent, simply means those services, e.g. music server, become temporarily unavailable. No real disasters in over 20 years. The backup Synology NAS is effectivel a fail over for essential services, e.g. adguard, but even if both synology devices are down, there's backup DNS resolving on the UDM and also with quad9.

Is it 84 cores? 4 in the NUC, 28x2 in Storm, 28 in oh-fuck. Never really thought of it that way. I'd like some 8490H XEONs but I cannot justify it right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When there's a risk of people complaining when one of your shared services goes down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lower Guk was more fun than Upper Guk.

Fight me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let me deal with this train to zone, then I will bring back a bunch of guards with me that you are KoS too. :-)

Did you see "The Cauldron" too?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

HOLY FUCK! Dude so many things I've never though of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I’m curious about what program that is and if its free

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