These extra intel e-cores are just some recycled 9th gen 14 nm chiplets so they can look good on spec sheets.
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I mean there's a kernal of truth in there. They're basically atom cores and the reason intel is using them is because they can't fit so many p cores with their current node.
But they really do help in multithreaded loads, and loads not dependent on raw throughput are rarely going to need more than 8 strong cores, so there is logic to it. And smaller lower clocked cores really are more efficient.
It does more than make it look like the cpu has more cores, though of course it does do that too.
No reason to buy an Intel CPU at all. They screwed us over for decades until AMD finally started stepping up.
It doesn't matter which modern cpu you get. For all intents and purposes they will perform the same with the same gpu and normal graphics (not some weird 1080p low settings benchmarks).
no.
3d cache is too good
for budget builds, the 12th gen i5s are pretty great value (as has been the case with most recent i5s.. 10400f, 11400f, 12400f, 12600k are all great)
If you play in 4K, there is negligible difference in games as it's mostly GPU bound but I feel like 7800x3D is the better choice all-round
Hopping around platforms ive noticed that e-cores are a better addition then 3d vcache for me since i usually look at youtube while playing
What a lot of people don't tell you is that Intel CAN be cheaper than AMD depending on how you shop. I've seen fully featured ddr5 z690 motherboards for only 125.00. Couple that with a 12600k or 12700k and you've got a very competent computer for cheap. AMD does have some cheaper makes these days but, for the price, they aren't spec'd as nice as z690 in all honesty.
Really just depends on what you want. AM5 motherboards will have processor options though. Although, by the time you'd want to upgrade...AM6 will probably be either here or very nearly....so there's that.
Yes.
They handle specific scenarios better, usually handling open world games, where resource packs saturate memory
If you look up "AMDip" you'll see the results of that
It also overclocks higher if you're into dabbling and investing into that
Their software tends to be more refined and mature and integrated on launch as well, so if we're talking the very newest hardware, expect Intel to work bette - less emergency updates, less bios fixes, etc for the first ~2 years or so
That's my experience with them both so far
Stability would be my number one reason to use Intel, not necessarily the most important variable if you’re just gaming.
The only reason, at this moment, would be if you could not afford to build a system with a 7800X3D. Slightly older gen Intel processors (12600kf / 13600kf etc) provide great value for money in the $250 range, and you can run them with ddr4 memory so you may be able to save money by using an older ram kit. Going AM5 is still the clear best financial choice in the long run if you plan on upgrading again in the next 5-8 years, but it really depends on your budget. If you’re an extreme high roller, you could also just go for a 14900k, which would be the “objectively best pc” if you don’t consider the price.
Some games do perform better on Intel's high clockspeed architecture if they aren't super bound to gobs of cache like the 7800x3d benefits from.
If you look at certain price points Intel makes sense. People complain about power consumption, but in games something like the 13600k doesn't pull that much. I'd have check again, though. These days I kind off like tuning Intel CPUs more for performance. If you disabled the e-cores on a 14700k, use that extra power to bring the clocks slightly higher, and then tune memory, and ring bus, or whatever its called now, I wouldn't be shocked if you could match a 7800x3D, at not too bad of power consumption.
I'd like to see some actual tests, though.
Idle consumption is generally lower with the Intel chips, especially with C-states on. So if you don't do anything but game infrequently and mostly just do general low intensity productivity tasks, most 12th-14th gen Intel CPUs will have much better average power efficiency than Zen 4 variants.
It doesn't really matter. All the modern high end CPUs are more than enough.
If you’re the type that likes to max out performance with your system by maximizing cooling, overclocking, tweaking memory, etc then Intel is probably what you want. Intel CPUs draw a lot more power than the AMD X3D cpus but they’re also capable of going quite a bit faster than stock if you can tame the heat and get fast memory to run.
I’m on a 7950X3D right now. It’s been so great so far but there’s not much you can do to get big improvements over stock performance. You could undervolt but there’s still a hard cap over the boost speeds. Some motherboards can allow more tweaking but it’s a lot of work. So even with great cooling, don’t expect much more than stock performance. AMD processors currently also don’t benefit much from faster than 6000 ram.
If you like tuning your CPU, then yeah, a tuned 12900k (mostly memory tuning, the rest stock) is as fast as the 7800x 3d in most popular games (TLOU , Cyberpunk, Spiderman remastered, hogwarts , Starfield etc.). A 14900k is way faster than that. Also, as you said yourself - longevity.
Hmmm well I would say you can more easily build a budget lga1700 system than a budget am5 system.
There's the productivity like you already mentioned.
And yes the 7800x3d is faster in games but its really not that much faster vs the 14900k when you average out a lot of different games at different settings ( like 1-2% )
Then you have the fact that intels going to be better at multitasking than the 7800x3d. Even if you're 'just gaming' does that mean you don't have... a browser open, or discord or an antivirus or whatever else at the same time? You're running on a completely fresh install of windows at all times? I kind of doubt it. Which means you wont get the same numbers as benchmarkers.
Intel also kind of has a little more of a it just works factor. But I wont belabour the point since I don't actually own an am5 machine. Just heard a lot of stories of long boot times and ram not working and so on... Just anecdotal...
But, besides all of that, the 7800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu out there and its not a bad price (way cheaper than 14900k) and its more power efficient under load so, I don't think you can really go wrong either way.
But I will say if you think you're going to decide to go with intel you don't have to buy 14900k, 14600k or 14700k will do excellent as well. The 14600k is going to provide most of the same gaming performance as well being a good all arounder and cheap. And the 14700k is a good middle ground. And you can save some more money by getting the f model too.
They don't depreciate as much, don't require special ram sticks just to work at rated speeds, they are easily repurposable for server use (the new ryzens with iGPU can be repurchased too), they don't need updates every few weeks.
It's most likely that you'll choose intel over amd if you play very specific games that lean over intel. And if you want a cpu that works right away. But we're at a time that the 7000 series cpus bugs and errors are mostly fixed.
The only reason I went Intel, is because Asus put a motherboard on sale for half price that happens to meet my apparently very strange requirements for an enthusiast board for my editing desktop. I had an X570 MSI board, but was using Asus software for my mouse pad, Logitech for my KB&M, Corsair for my headset, NZXT for my AIO, Lian Li software for the Unifans on my custom GPU loop, and MSI software for the rest of the RGB and motherboard stuff. The Lian Li app didn't like playing nicely with my motherboard, and had glitches for over a year and a half until they finally got things running nicely, but having so many programs running in the background was driving me nuts. So a half price motherboard from AMD would've been preferred, but I jumped on it because I had to redo my GPU loop anyways.
TLDR: I went Intel because of many factors, but you can't lose with either, and the 7800 AMD or 13700 Intel CPUs will be phenomenal gaming CPUs for years. Look at benchmarks to see if either favors more games on your list than the other. Look for killer deals on motherboards. I saved $300 on mine. AMD is ahead right now, but not $300 ahead. That kind of discount is worth taking advantage of if you find one.
Good luck and enjoy your new build!!
I bought many Intel CPUs and AMD CPUs, and currently I am more of Intel guy. Reliability, ease of use, and high compatibility are unspoken advantages of Intel CPUs and Motherboards.
And only if you are an Intel investor.
I just built a full last-gen AMD system for gaming and it's eating up everything I'm throwing at it. 5800X3D with a Sapphire 6900 XT Nitro+ SE.
Got 21,500 GPU points in Timespy.
If the price is right, why not? There have been some pretty good bundles lately. (At least, in North America)
Intel single core performance have always been good or top of the line, 7800 major weaknesses is that it's better for 1080/1440p gaming as you will see the most gains there, for 4k the advantage is shrunk
What game though? I5 12th and 13th gen is plenty enough for most games and then you have an extra 1 or 200 dollars toward a gpu or monitor (which realistically for most games is going to be a bottleneck more than the cpu)
I'f you are an enthusiast and you like to tinker, the intel platform is way fast on oc to oc
If your just gaming without care to maxing everything out, both chipsets are perfectly fine. People recommend 3D CPUs for more fps in games, but you need to pair it with an enthusiast grade GPU if you really want max fps. It's all silly and realistically unnecessary, you can game with any i5 or R5 CPU and equally budget GPUs.
I just got a 7800x3d. It's good but not perfect.
Reasons to go Intel:
- Might be cheaper depending on the other parts you get (am5 motherboards are still expensive)
- more stable memory and less headaches with retiming each boot. This is motherboard dependent on am5. MSI is slow to boot.
- some games might actually favor intel. It's worth checking out reviews for your games
- you want some Intel soc features like quick sync