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So where are we at right now?
"We didn't bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn't, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren't, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital."
I wonder what's next
"The hospital was never bombed. All the pictures are fake, all the victims are crisis actors."
"The civilians there deserved to be bombed because they supported Hamas"
Wait, didn't we do that one already?
They were enemy combatants because they were within bombing radius of an enemy combatant. That was the American logic in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to print more humane-looking civilian casualty numbers
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base
They're two different hospitals
Now that Israel is openly bombing hospitals I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they lied about the ~~al-Shifa hospital.~~ oop it was Al-Ahli hospital I can't keep all of these atrocities straight!
There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948
There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956
Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching
The simplest explanation is that if Israel knew where Hamas is, they would have taken them out before any attack by Hamas. They don't know.
So they kill more than 4000 children? Would they have done the same if the kidnappers were anywhere else in the world? What makes killing over 10,000 civilians a fair trade?
The purpose of this war on Gaza is ethnic cleansing.
It doesn't make it a fair trade. My point is they have no idea who they are targeting, or they would have been doing targeted take downs before the conflict.
Collective punishment is a war crime. Having a 90% death rate being civilians is a war crime. Targeting hospitals, schools, water wells, aid trucks and bakeries is a war crime.
They said so themselves. The intent is ethnic cleansing. They have said as much that the goal is to depopulate the Gaza Strip. They have called Palestinians “human animals”.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.
Yup, thermobarics make tunnels deathtraps and Israel certainly has the thermobarics we sold them.
You're right, it was previously the PLO that were bombing places and hijacking planes
Seems like they learned from uncle sam how to empire.
I wonder how quick world leaders will backtrack their support for genocide once more misinformation is disproven…
My bet is that we will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
It's nuts to me how there was a recent poll showing Biden taking a hit in swing states, presumably because of the wide and unprecedented public support for Palestinian freedom, and how the reaction among some liberals is turning in to, "Biden's support for genocide is bad now because Trump could win again." Criticizing the US supporting the genocide, through the spectacle of partisan politics, turns in to, "this is how you get another Trump victory." Instead of vocalizing the disapproval, it's like "don't say anything because it could help Trump."
Cue some liberals telling us "tough shit, vote for Biden anyway" You're right talking about it in a partisan lens is a huge problem. The government is meant to represent us, all we should need to do is make sure they know how we feel.
shocked Pikachu face
Who could have foreseen Israel lying?
One of these days the IDF is gonna fuck up and accidentally tell the truth.
I genuinely don't care about Hamas anymore, they're symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.
One side is right and the other is wrong… I suppose nobody considered this possibility and the answer was in front of us all this time. Looks like we found the key to fixing the Middle East. Well done!
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base.
They're two different hospitals.
In other words, it is so far uncontested that there is a Hamas base under the al-Shifa hospital (which is the main hospital in Gaza).
The fact that we have to specify which of the hospitals they've blown up really sucks.
The World: Hey you may have committed a war crime.
Your Response: It's okay though, nobody can prove we committed a war crime in this other location!
What is wrong with you?
However, Sanad’s investigation shows that this is simply the access hatch for a water reservoir that the hospital uses to fill therapeutic pools for amputees, water the grounds, and a reserve water source in case of emergency.
Sanad analysed satellite footage and archives of the hospital’s construction and spoke to one of the original engineers who built it.
It's pretty in depth.
However I have two problems with this logic.
Israel did not confirm the existence of tunnels at that location, which would have been an easy thing to do with a camera and 2 minutes.
This isn't exactly proof that those areas weren't repurposed for tunnels. Just that what Israel thought was a tunnel was not. Which is more of a problem of how the Israel military is assuming too much and bombing people in the process. While processing their assumptions like fact.
Where's the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?
The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there's now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.
What do you think the H stands for in H~2~O?
A small price to pay to find tho!
I am so glad this got posted here so we can have a discussion about it after it was locked on Lemmy World.