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Ohio Republicans make plans after voters approve Issue 1, Issue 2 (www.dispatch.com)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 95 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Dear Republicans,

If you want to remain relevant politically, here's what you need to do: GIVE UP. Seriously. You're fighting a losing battle against time and changing demographics. A majority of people under 50 hate you, a huge majority of people under 40 hate you, and practically everyone under 30 hates you. That is not a recipe for long-term viability.

Yield on the culture war shit. You lost. Get the fuck over it. Move on. And maybe someday there will be two parties willing to talk about substantive issues again, rather than one party being only willing to talk about protecting fetuses from being gay molested by drag queen Jewish space lasers.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The thing is they have nothing else. They have no policy. If they had a health care plan it would be the ACA They don't support any ubi or anything to help families

Republicans

Have

No

Policy

They have to rely on culture wars.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Well that's not true. They have the policy of wealth idolatry while claiming moral and religious superiority as the basis for why you should be voting for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

No plans is the only plan. Fucking losers.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nah, they'd rather burn the US to the ground than let women and minorities be equals.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Given the way they treat minorities, can you blame them for not wanting to become one?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Bit of a loaded question lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

This is why.

Democrats: Stop trying to reason with republiQans. They will never even deal in good faith. Never. Stop it. Build what you can alone. Seriously, the effort wasted in trying to understand or sway them is immense. Just stop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They know this, that's why their strategy is now "full blown fascism". If they can't win democratically, then they will ignore, undermine, and destroy democracy to get what they want; which is exclusive control of all the money and all the power.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Ohio Republican plans usually involve insane amounts of gerrymandering and bribery.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And it didn't get them anywhere. They pulled every dirty trick they could think of for this election and still lost by a wide margin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

that just means they'll try harder and dirtier next time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

And lose by a larger margin. The only political tactic these people know is to double down and go more conservative. A clear losing strategy at this point.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Of course these bastards want to undo the will of the people.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Are we out of touch? No, it’s those damn voters who are wrong” -Republicans Party 🤡

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

i think this is their 2024 platform

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

"Life is worth fighting for. As a grandparent of eight, the life of a baby is always worth the fight," Huffman said. "The national abortion industry funded by wealthy out-of-state special interests spent millions to pass this radical language that goes far past abortion on demand. This isn't the end. It is really just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1."

Interesting how "people disagree with me" never even enters their fucking consciousness. These people won't give up until they die and someone else takes over. May that day come sooner than later.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it's important to understand that to many of these people, it's deeply religious. They believe that they are doing God's work, and if they compromise on issues they believe are facilitated in scripture, they might end up in hell. So they choose martyrdom over cooperation. They'll gladly sacrifice democracy if they feel like democracy is going against their interpretation of God's word.

It's the same reason peace in the Middle East is so difficult and seemingly unattainable. No one budges on their religion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The wild thing is that scripture supports abortion and even demands it in some cases. These people don't know their own scripture and they don't care about scripture... they care about what the loud, dramatic white man told them on stage last Sunday. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That's why I specifically said "their interpretation" of scripture. It doesn't really matter how other people interpret scripture. Politics among evangelical Christians is very much a "my way or the highway" kind of ideology.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Someone should remind them of separation of Church and State. If the US was supposed to be controlled by these peoples religious views the founding fathers would have put the Church in charge. I feel like we need some new legislation against these religious extremists from being eligible to run for an office if they can't follow the rules. The second they go off on a "God wants..." tangent we should say "thank you for your service, you are relieved of duty" and we have another election.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

So many dogwhistles in that screed. "abortion industry","Wealthy", "out-of-state", "special interests", "radical", "abortion on demand".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I understand how they think that way. Most Ohioans just support abortion but don’t shout it. And there’s a ton of people shouting opposition

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

The world would be a whole lot better if conservatives learned that not everyone has to make their ideology their identity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I agree with them that babies' lives are worth fighting for. The problem is, I don't agree that a fetus is a baby. Alive? Sure, insomuch as a parasite is alive or cancer is alive. That we often colloquially call a fetus a baby doesn't magically make it one.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is something that voters would remember. These people got into office under the pre-Roe thinking where abortion was a convenient wedge issue. Overturning ROE was the barking dog catching the car and all steam went out of the whole works as a result. The people have shown that most never actually minded abortion in the first place. If these legislatures manage to so overtly overturn the will of the people, I suspect that we'll see a change in some membership come next election.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Let's not oversell this. OH #1 only passed 55-45. 52% turnout is far better than a normal odd-year election, but 55-45 is hardly a blowout, especially because it depended on 70-30 wins in the big cities. A huge swath of Ohio's regular voters are perfectly happy to go along with abortion restrictions, and a sizeable number of staunch pro-choicers will show up to keep Roe in the dirt. Any district that doesn't include a major metro, abortion is still a convenient wedge issue.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Let’s not oversell this. OH #1 only passed 55-45.

Not true. The split is actually 56.6-43.4. An almost 57% majority is a solid bipartisan bloc. Not saying there aren't pockets of resistance, especially in rural counties, but if you're parsing details you need to refer to correct statistics.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

That is how pretty much all states, not just Ohio, are layed out. The USA is massive in terms of land. Ohio is roughly the size of Germany. The play is to get 60-70-80 percent in major Metropolitan areas because the rest of the state is cows and corn. Only 7 counties had more than 100k votes cast in total with the three counties home to Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati accounting for almost 1/3 of the total votes cast. All 7 of those counties voted in favor of issue 1. Any district that doesn't have a major metro area is not viable. These areas are bleeding money and jobs and losing population. Eventually they will lose enough and Ohio will lose enough congressional seats that it will not be able to be reliably gerrymandered as heavily because of the population being so heavily centered in 3 locations. Ohio was one of the first test for GOP gerrymandering and it is a first look at what will happen when that is the only way they can win.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

It's important to keep things in context. As far as I'm aware, anytime abortion has been on the ballot, it has won. Not only won, but increased voter turnout and improved the results for democrats on the same ballot.

[–] ryathal 2 points 9 months ago

That's basically in line with polling of about 60% in favor of abortion in general, and decreasing as you get later into pregnancy before adding a cut off.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

May they find out even harder moving forward. Not many days roll past in which I can honestly imagine Republicans going full Whig, but today is one of them.

[–] TheSlad 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is it plans to fuck off and die? Then they'd finally be doing something good for ohio for once. I am proud of my fellow ohioans for these results.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Why thank you. Proud of you as well. My wife almost missed it as she is pregnant and was exhausted and slept most of the day, but we lucked out and had half an hour left for her to go vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Thanks for passing Recreational too!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ohio voter here. The job is not done. The next step is to vote these pricks out of office. And that means funding their opponents when the time comes for them to run for reelection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

But what if republican politicians vote all the voters out?!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

Democracy... But only when I personally benefit from the results... Or if Women and minorities loose rights /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"I can't believe in 2023 we're actually talking about elected officials not respecting the will of the voters and not respecting the outcome of an election,"

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Republicans: "Stop calling us fascist!"

Then stop meeting the literal definition of it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Ohio republicans are fucking malding.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Whatever, puff puff pass, dude

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You forget. "but weed is bad tho" trumps all other weed arguments and to these bigots, anyone that disagrees is considered a useless stoner that deserves no opinion. They probably won't be able to overturn the abortion one but the weed one I'm sure is already off the books.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Except that argument gets shot down by all the other states that have already legalized, and the current considerations at the national level to also decriminalize it. Even a significant percentage of Republicans recently polled indicated support for it. The bogus, totally ineffective war on weed is slowly coming to an end, dragging them kicking and screaming until they eventually stfu.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I hope so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s even gotten absurdly easy for us to renew our cards. Was once a year, had to be an office visit where they interrogated you about how bad your issues still were, wait for your card in the mail. Now it’s every two years and, in large part because of covid, you pay your card fees in advance on the state website, then it’s a phone call with the doctor’s office where they just basically ask “is it still helping? Symptoms ok? Everything alright?” for like 5 mins and then you’re approved, and can print your card from the website.

edit: and my dispensary gave me 50% off my next purchase if I did it before my old card expired. They are awesome. See here:

https://mauigrown.com

edit2: I still think it’s kinda crazy that years ago I had to keep it under wraps for numerous reasons and now I’m a card carrying drug user who can casually place an order on a public website, with discounts and a rewards program. Progress, brah.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Judging from the change here the last few years after finally getting dispensaries (first state with medical marijuana laws, took until 2017-ish for us to finally have places to acquire it legally), the opposition keeps decreasing. I know a few people who years ago were adamantly, religiously against it, and now they’re like “yeah, my son has a medical card.” I think we already got reciprocal state access covered, and recreational without a card is in the works.