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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Moving to git is nice but I don't understand why they don't self-host a gitlab instance.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Imho the main argument for github is that it lowers the hurdle for new ane ad-hoc contributions like issues. I'm problably too lazy to registsr a new account for your instance just to open a bug report.

I'd love a federated git/issue/wiki thing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they moving issues or just code storage to GitHub?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Code storage. They're keeping bugzilla.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't make it more difficult than with mercurial, which isn't supported by github either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In my opinion that sounds like a plus. People that are too lazy to register an account to put in a code merge request or report a bug aren't going to be writing quality code or quality bug reports.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes but knowing of a bug is better than not knowing of a bug

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself, I've been prepared to submit detailed bug reports before the process in place to do so turned me off.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They're going to continue using Bugzilla for bug reports.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

GitHub will just serve as code mirror. Patches and bugs will still go through Mozilla's usually channels.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

but I don’t understand why they don’t self-host

Why would anyone self-host a FLOSS project? Trade secrets is not a concern, nor is it barring access to the source code repository. Why would anyone waste their resources managing a service that adds no value beyond a third-party service like GitHub?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because Microsoft will eat your ass in your sleep

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Because Microsoft will eat your ass in your sleep

So Microsoft has access to Firefox's source code. So what? Isn't the point of a FLOSS project that your source code should be made available to everyone?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mozilla allegedly stands for a bunch of stuff that is be definition incompatible with hosting code on GitHub as it is. I bet a lot of people were expecting a lot more from them and instead got this move. Well... I guess this is like unique browser ID that each installation has or the fact that it contacts a 3rd party analytics company no matter your settings - people start by complaining and eventually even say it is right. lol so much for privacy and whatnot.

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[–] Kecessa 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Because while you do have control (and "copies") of the source code repository, that's not really true for the ecosystem around it - tickets, pull requests, ...

If Microsoft decided to fuck you over you'd have a hard time migrating the "community" around that source code somewhere else.

Obviously depends on what features you are using, but for example losing all tickets would be problematic for any projects.

Apparently Mozilla won't be even accepting PRs there so it doesn't matter much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What if you self host in AWS and Amazon decides to fuck you over? What if you decide to self from home and your ISP decides fuck you over? What if? So many what ifs... How do you even live in this world?

[–] nitefox 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah like, wtf

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Because while you do have control (and “copies”) of the source code repository, that’s not really true for the ecosystem around it - tickets, pull requests, …

The announcement to drop Mercurial quite clearly states that their workflow won't change and that GitHub pull requests are not considered a part of their workflow.

Also, that's entirely irrelevant to start with. Either you care about software freedom and software quality, or you don't. If you care about software freedom you care about having free and unrestricted access to FLOSS projects such as Firefox, which GitHub clearly provides. If you care about software quality you'd care about the Firefox team picking the absolute best tools for the job that they themselves picked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, you know, Gitea or such.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I keep hearing people only on Lemmy bring up Gitea but I haven't really heard of it otherwise. What's the appeal and what's keeping it locked away with the Lemmy community?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Slightly confusing title here. A less confusing title would be "Mozilla drops support for Mercurial, moves Firefox repository to GitHub".

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A less confusing title would be “Mozilla drops support for Mercurial (...)

It's not even about GitHub at all. Taken straight out of the announcement:

“For a long time Firefox Desktop development has supported both Mercurial and Git users. This dual SCM requirement places a significant burden on teams which are already stretched thin in parts. We have made the decision to move Firefox development to Git.”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But a few lines later:

Although we'll be hosting the repository on GitHub, our contribution workflow will remain unchanged and we will not be accepting Pull Requests at this time

So I don't know if you meant that the focus of the change wasn't GH or that they weren't using GH at all, but it seems like the latter is untrue.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you meant that the focus of the change wasn’t GH

They are dropping Mercurial and focusing on Git. Incidentally, they happen to host the Git project on GitHub. GitHub is used for hosting, and they don't even use basic features such as pull requests.

Again, this is really not about GitHub at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the crucial detail that everyone is missing.

It's the same as with the Linux kernel GitHub mirror.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The repository will be hosted on GitHub, though the move is expected to take “at least six months before the migration begins.”

Another major opensource project that chooses a proprietary hosting platform 🤷

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's be honest here, at least like 98% of the popular OSS is on GitHub at this point. You don't have to like it, but it's how things are

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't mean that they have to continue putting stuff there. But oh well, maybe once ForgeFed becomes a real thing, things might change a little.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It does. OSS needs visibility, it needs contributions

GitHub's community and discoverability features really help with that, as much as it sucks that they got acquired by Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

People use the most convenient way to collaborate, and that's for me currently Github. Really hope, some day a better alternative with ForgeFed becomes reality.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Using and financially contributing to Codberg seems like a good next step to take. Doubt they will though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah! 😣 Why not nest or self-hosted pijul!?

[–] IAm_A_Complete_Idiot 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not battle tested on massive projects nor does it have the prior mindshare git has. It doesn't have a lot of tooling either. (Does any CI/CD system support pijul?) It has nice properties, but ultimately git with all it's terrible warts is well understood.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

CI/CD

Pijul as git or hg or any other is a VCS, so what are you talking about? If you mean web-service like GitHub with social things and CI/CD services, so yes, nest have CI/CD with nix. But mostly you shouldn’t host your huge project on the Nest because, as I’m absolutely sure, you as anyone other should create your own host (public or private) to support decentralization to prevent github-like centralization situation. Pijul was created with decentralization in first place in mind.

Not tested with big projects in production

Not publicly. Many private projects, personal and in-company, that uses pijul are existing. Personally I have one HUGE personal. Also I worked for two companies where pijul is used.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems to my mistake. You question is about CI/CD services that supports Pijul. So yes, almost zero. But it’s like ouroboros. Just use pijul more then git and talk about it, and services will support it soon.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Chromium has a mirror on GitHub and it's fine. While it feels a little strange to have just one mirror (on GitHub), after moving to git entirely, nobody is stopping to them from hosting a GitLab mirror.

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