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If so, what triggered it and what was it like?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was raised in a religious house. I went to church every Sunday until I was about 20. I played guitar for the church. Everyone else always talked about "feeling" the holy spirit, especially when I specifically played the music for the church.

I tried so, so hard, but never once in my life did I feel a damn thing. I prayed and prayed and prayed, but nothing. I was good friends with the pastor, and he would give me tips on listening for what God was telling me, but I never heard anything.

And eventually I gave up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find it fascinating that you were able to help others feel a spiritual connection through your music all the while it was eluding you. Thank you for sharing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I am truly grateful that church wasn't my first experience with live music. Music is powerful, and the churches around me tried to co-opt that by convincing you that the experience you just had was Jesus when it was actually just live music and group energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Closest I can think of is sitting in an onsen (hot spring) in Arima, Japan, and suddenly feeling like I am one with the world - totally relaxed, without a single worry in my mind and feeling that everything will be ok. Can't say how long it lasted, 5-15 minutes? Haven't experienced that sort of peace ever since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wouldn’t it be nice to have access to such a deep sense of peace for more than a few minutes per a lifetime?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sort of. I was trying to get a medical issue more under control and was using cannabis, but worried the CBD was contraindicated with one of the meds so I dropped that out and did straight THC oil.

After a few days of that I was playing a video game and got a strong sense of a divine interaction (which was weird given I was Agnostic) and that a Yes/No popup selection would occur but that what it would really be asking was if I consented to learning the mysteries of the universe and everything that would entail.

Indeed, a popup appeared (FFXIV: Shadowbringer main quest - not exactly unexpected), and I selected Yes.

I later learned (a) that CBD is an effective antipsychotic, and (b) a lot about the literal mysteries of antiquity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Please try this again now that FFXVI is out and report back. For science!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have felt a sense of awe, I have felt a sense of smallness in the universe, I have felt a sense of connection. Staring at a starscape, or across a vast landscape, being in a still and quiet serene moment of zen.

Nothing I have experienced have I classified as a spiritual experience, and I certainly won't allow organised religion to prostitute my sense of wonder for their own ends.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My girlfriend has a lot in the past, she saw a lot of things and smeled perfumes of ppl already dead, later she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Visiting Makkah (Mecca) and/or Medinah for pilgrimage (hajj/Umrah). I wouldn't describe myself as a vibey/woo woo person but both cities feel either spiritually peaceful or intense due to the frenzied energy of the tens of thousands of worshippers there. Several of us on a visit began crying for no reason at various moments during the trip.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure. Shroms'll do that to ya.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

this, but in a way that's not flippant and dismissive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

ITT: yes, using drugs.

I cant disagree though, ive theorized that when our consciousness is in the right “state” we become more sensitive for “things we have yet to understand”

Next to make you high, drugs (and meditation, strong emotional experiences) do alter the state of our consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One cannot have a "spiritual" experience without having a shared definition of spiritual that isn't just a deepity.

I would urge anyone who wants to share their "spiritual" experience to give a solid definition for the term first.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I upvoted you but I totally disagree - the idea that one can’t share their own “spiritual” experience without defining and agreeing (with others) on the definition doesn’t hold water for me.

Spirituality is inherently subjective - my wife feels it when she gives gratitude…my comment above is for sure more stupid but still valid

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mine was pretty spontaneous. I was studying psychedelics at the time (just because they're fascinating) but I've never done any before or since.

It was... hard to describe. It lasted several days at least, but my sense of time was greatly altered and it's hard to say how long exactly. I remember feeling like my mind wasn't fighting against itself the way it usually did. It felt like everything I did, my whole brain was all working/pulling in the same direction. Pretty much all I wanted to do was meditate for hours on end, and doing so was a wild experience with some very interesting visuals. I also came to some revelations about the nature of reality. (Though looking back, those revelations were the logical conclusion of several beliefs I had held before this experience. I think this experience just brought those multiple unrelated beliefs together and crystalized them into one cohesive worldview.) I did experience some synesthesia during the experience as well. The kind wherein seeing somebody else experience something, you feel it in your own body. I was watching a dancer on TV and feeling the proprioceptive feelings I imagined she was feeling.

Edit: I should add that it never really "ended." It tapered off over time until I was (in some ways) back to normal, but I couldn't identify really when I was back to normal. It was more like asymptotically approaching normal. And, I'll also say that in other ways, I'm still changed by that experience. And only for the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kind of? I was in college walking on campus in broad daylight. I pass under this skywalk, with nobody in my general vicinity. As I do, I feel what feels like someone was walking past me coming from the opposite, locking their arm into mine. I got pulled back enough to stumble.

Sure enough, nobody nearby, no objects right near me or anything I could have accidentally gotten caught up on. Still have no idea what happened there. And for the record, this was before I ever had tried alcohol and I don’t really do drugs, so I can’t blame those.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd like to think that that 5 second interaction kept you from getting run over or something later on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was weird, but I haven’t really made heads or tales of it. Hadn’t really encountered anything like that before and haven’t since, but it was just bizarre.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, right then, at the second after it happened

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh lol. Well I was certainly confused. Had to do a double take to make sure I wasn’t just so zoned out I walked into something, and after I confirmed I didn’t I just had no idea what to think. It was truly unexplainable, at least for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have schizoaffective disorder, so I've had a lot of "spiritual" experiences, some I still can't totally shake off how real they felt despite being well medicated for years.

I once met a god in my dreams. He never spoke to me, but I could sense what he wanted to say. He told me I was actually two people, one was destined to destroy the world, the other was me, who was actually the creator of the world. Apparently I was asleep and all of reality was just my dream, and this other person inside of me was destined to wake me up, ending existence as we know it.

I also had a shadow woman with glowing green eyes who would show up constantly (while I was awake this time.) I thought she was also a god, who was in love with me. That's been one of the harder ones to shake off. I met somebody who claimed to be psychic a few years ago who described the shadow woman exactly as I remembered her. He claimed she was protecting me. That was unsettling, because I'd not mentioned her to him even once.

Besides that I used to see ghosts a lot before I was on my meds. Most of those aren't very interesting though. Just a person or animal who wasn't supposed to be there and nobody else could see.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm an atheist

Find yourself some mescaline (peyote or San Pedro extract)

Trust

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would not even know where to start looking. So many people here are sharing experiences on Mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, etc. How are ya’ll getting your hands on it lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was in college, it was night, and several friends and acquaintances of mine had lugged a case of beer to a giant empty wire spool that sat next to our campus at the time. The spool on it's side made for a good table.

Having completed an entire class about world religions, we were set to debate whether Buddhism or Taoism was a more reasonable philosophy.

The girl to my right was definitely engaged in the conversation, but she hadn't said anything yet. I asked her "so what do you think about all of this?" She looked at me, crossed her arms, and fell backwards into the ground. I immediately said, "holy shit, did you guys just see that?" Nobody else saw the girl. As it happened, the wire spool was on the lawn between the campus and a graveyard.

Maybe I'm nuts or maybe I saw that. Never saw anything like that again though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

At the time, I approached it from the perspective that consciousness in some capacity was possible after death while acknowledging that I had no evidence on the questions of how, why, how frequently, for what duration, etc. I hypothesized that ghosts were whorls of consciousness like the whirlpools in water after the passing of an oar.

I was raised Lutheran, but had been approaching my understanding of existence from what I thought of as a logical perspective. For example, I reasoned that heaven, if it existed as a joyful reward state, must either be essentially finite in duration or must involve eternal dementia based on the notion that eventually you would run out of novel or interesting thoughts or experiences. To remain joyful, heaven would have to either have the individual be dissolved back into the universe/almighty or would require forgetting earlier novel experiences.

These days I tend to just anthropomorphize the universe itself, as the wants of an omniscient and omnipotent being would be indistinguishable from the natural rules of the universe. To quote Roger Waters: "what God wants, God gets (God help us all)". I figure God wants matter to be attracted to other matter and for electromagnetism to be a thing (amongst other rules of the universe).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

“As it happened, the wire spool was on the lawn between a graveyard and an abandoned/haunted giant spool factory.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only on acid - my buddies and I got lost in a maelstrom and clung to a raft to survive. Two of us woke up on a serene island and made a beautiful community with the indigenous peoples of the island.

The other two found another island and created a futuristic industrialized society.

The ideological differences eventually formed physically into a great barrier called The Schism. They began polluting our lands and forced us into a hundred year war and many lives were lost.

Peace was found when emissaries from both tribes travelled to the caldera of the great volcano at the center of our island and met with the Keeper of the Scrolls who revealed to us that The Schism was invisible - we took that to mean that the only thing truly separating our people was our perceived differences.

But we were really, really trippin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mine was also on acid, only ever done it once and now you can miss me with that shit... I fucked up hard. I did it solo but also ended up 4 or 5 brownies deep along with drinking all night. It was going great at the start but after a few hours it all went wrong, I'm not sure if I passed out and was dreaming or just walking around but I was no longer human. At one point I was mold in a petri dish and so was my wife and when we grew and touched each other we made a mutated mold and that was our kid.... anothet point I was ink and my life was being drawn on a page and as time passed the page turned and me, the ink was drawn. The worst part which was unbearable and I think lasted the longest was that I was a everything and everything that had ever existed or would exist all happening at the same time, kind of hard to explain this one, I wasn't really a physical entity at all, more like time and space but all in a tiny dot. Needless to say not being a person for what felt like forever was kind of a big ego death... not sure how i kept a job down I was basically psychotic for the next 18 month. I wasn't sure if I was real, I wasn't sure if my kid was real. I never got suicidal but I was constantly afraid I was slowly losing my mind and I could become suicidal, there were days that's all I could think.

Definitely not my jam

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

One perspective I've heard before and I find interesting is (paraphrased) that we, as humans, are the result of a universe yearning to know itself. (I'm sure there's more but that's the jist of it.)

It could be that our consciousness isn't specifically human, it just inhabits the bodies best able to experience and learn about the world we exist in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve had experiences with religious people trying to force me to have a spiritual experience. Would not recommend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Was this at a Linux user convention?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure if this is what you’re looking for but sure, there have been times when I’m in nature and I see a view or a tree or a river or whatever and things seem so beautiful and so connected and so awe inspiring that it gives me an overwhelming sense that there is more to all this than I’ll ever understand or comprehend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had a weird revelatory experience when I was 14 or so about the nature of God, and how in order to define something you must include certain characteristics and exclude certain characteristics. From that I drew the conclusion that any definition of God must be woefully incomplete, as how can one exclude characteristics from the definition of a thing that is all things and entirely beyond comprehension. From there I decided that any way of acknowledging something greater than ourselves is as valid as any other way, and that's guided my spirituality since then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ive always enjoyed Godel's ontological "proof" (although I disagree with it's conclusion "proving" catholic God)

"God, by definition, is that for which no greater good can be conceived. Therefore, God exists in the understanding.

If God exists in the understanding, and is that for which no greater can be conceived, than he can be imagined greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God exists"

Im an atheist, but I really like this quote in the context of Eastern Philosophy (like the Tao) over western philosophy

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting, about half a year ago I asked to myself why echo chambers could possibly happen. After this I've been discovering multiple unrelated books and have been reading them, each with different relatively unconnected topics, but eventually their knowledge all fitted together perfectly, even supported by examples in my own life, and eventually I reached the same conclusion.

Knowledge has a dark side, what we know and say about something (definition) decides the very way we look at it. Everything we define can never encompass every case, and every system we build can never encompass all of reality. Just look at the system of language, just saying the sentence "This sentence is a lie" leads to a paradox, and paradoxes are just the signs of an incomplete system. Therefore, if God is everything, God escapes our definitions.

I suppose reaching for God is then seeking out the great undefinable, in love, in experience, in knowledge, or whatever else, and broadening your own limits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I couldn’t agree more with both of you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Hiking in the superstition mountains in Arizona made me feel like there was a god