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So at work today, the discussion of household heating and gas/electricity bills came up (entering winter Down Under), and I commented that we have our central heating set to 14 Celsius (approx 57 Freedoms) overnight, and off during the day/evening. We find that 14 is quite comfortable under a fluffy doona/duvet. I was warmly mocked (well natured), and informed that something closer to 24C (75F) is appropriate, day and night.

Surely not... right?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

18C . We live in a condo building that is well insulated so setting it any lower wouldn't help. I agree, it's preferable to sleep when it's cooler. 24C in winter is insane - if you're cold just put on a jersey or a fleece.

[–] LlamaSutra 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I set my winter evening thermostat to 14C my wife would have my head on a spike in the front lawn. Police be damned.

We keep it at 22C as a compromise during the day and 19 at night (since we sleep better in the cold).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hahaha twenty-two?! I fear I may not know that feeling again until October!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

24 seems insane to me, that is way beyond uncomfortably warm. At night I'm pretty sure that's just unhealthy.

I tend to keep temperature around 16-18 degrees celsius in the winter during the day, never had a thermostat that allowed setting a target temp so it fluctuates. 16 is alright with double or thick socks and a sweater even when i sit around at my pc. At night I just turn off the heat and open the window, it gets cold but it's comfortable in a blanket.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

24C, that's insane!

During winter we try to keep the daytime temperature around 20-21C in the rooms we use the most, and a couple of degrees cooler in other rooms. We find it important to not have a too large temperature difference between rooms in order to avoid mold growing.

During nighttime we set the thermostats to 16-17C.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

68-72F during the day

60-63F at night

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live offgrid in a campervan and do not have HVAC in the normal sense. I follow mild weather, aiming for daily highs of 65-70deg F. Because I camp in arid regions this usually means overnight lows of 35-45F. I try to avoid overnight freezes for comfort and to protect my water system.

My roof vent is set to 65F (comes on then and tries to hold that temp). The LiFePO4 battery bank is warmed to 50F. At night I use an electric blanket and dogbuddy to stay warm if needed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

what you're doing is what I want to do - do you have any suggestions for links to/communities on lemmy or other federated platforms? liked vandwellers back on reddit a lot but cant find something similar here.

my rig is a 1987 Ford/Grumman Kabmaster, it's been in the shop for a while now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not OP but I haven't found one yet (though I haven't looked exhaustively). I think it would be popular if you made a community though!

VanLife, Teardrop trailers...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok, here ya go, a lemmy community for vanfolk, car-dwellers, RVers, etc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] plum 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is summer here, so our night temp is set to 21C and daytime temp is set to 24C. If we’re away, the AC will turn off.

In winter, I think we keep the house at 18C at night and maybe 19-20C during the day. Our eco mode minimum is set to 15C so the pipes don’t freeze.

I also prefer cooler, but we set our temps in a way to save on our electric bill.

I’m in Canada and we definitely couldn’t just turn off our furnace in the winter - things start exploding when it is -30C or lower.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the US south . . . just happy to get to turn the AC off for 6-8 weeks lol

24C is bonkers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hahaha not sure where you are exactly, but my memory of Houston and Corpus Christi involves using my arms to swim through the air - the heat and humidity was suffocating; the air was so thick! Sunglasses fogging up instantly when you step outside from an air-conditioned room.

We regularly see 110F here Down Under in our south, but it's a dry heat. You can at least spend the day outside getting stuff done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your memory is very good. We are 100+ this week with that humidity, it is brutal outside. I'll take the dry heat/cold any day, Australia/NZ is on my travel list!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ouch, you can keep that! Hit me up if you're ever near Melbourne; we'll take you for a walk through Sherbrooke Forest; if you're here at this time of year, you enjoy cold mornings, and you're very lucky - you may even get to hear a lyrebird song - imitating every other native bird in the forest! πŸ˜€

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We have our thermostat set to 63Β°F in the winter. We'll go up to 67Β°F or so if there's a storm bad enough that power loss is possible.

In the summer, we have our air conditioners set to 70Β°F.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting idea, banking some heat ahead of a storm. We regularly lose power here, but not for any significant length of time (minutes, not hours or days)

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[–] snota 1 points 1 year ago

My house is set to 22 in the morning and switches off at about 11am otherwise the house is too warm at bed time. I have 'cold' friends who keep their house much colder so there seems to be a range of preferences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

69F all year baby 😎

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Mine stays set between 68F and 72F year round, adjusting depending on if I’m hot or cold. My dad was always one to set the thermostat based on cost and I refuse to be that way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In the winter, I'll accept 23C anything colder and I catch a cold.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not how colds work. Cold weather can reduce the immune system, but it doesn't cause colds. You still need to be exposed to a virus to catch a cold. Also, it's not like colder weather guarantees your body can't fight off a cold.

It's much easier (and cheaper) to heat a small space (a person wearing a sweater) versus heating an entire room.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Tell that to my body. From my own personal experience when the temperature drops below 23C I get a cold, simple as that and temperature has been the only fluctuating variable. So while the cold may not be the direct cause it's a big enough influence for me that I'd rather not take my chances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we would have to set fire to our curtains to sustain 23C in here... that's crazy talk! Y'all run around in socks and underpants? lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Even at 23C I still need to wear a sweater, at least 2 layers of pants, double socks, a beanie, and I always have a blanket wrapped around me along with a mini space heater directed at my feet. The only reason it's not hotter is due to the person I live with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I set temp to 18C when at home during the day, and 16/17C when away or night.
Bad insulation (empty air..), so if I lower too much it take hours to heat up again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh yes, we also suffer from a lack of insulation. Empty ceiling and walls. The 50s was a pretty relaxed era for Australian housing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a house from the early 70s in France.
There was almost no insulation. First rules to improve that started around 1974.

How does it work in Australia? Does gouv try to help people to improve that in old houses?
I guess it would be great for summer as I think it's pretty warm there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't believe the government has any running initiatives to improve energy ratings on old houses, but there are certainly standards for new builds like you would have today. Generally speaking, because the summer sun disproportionately heats up our metal roof (and our ceiling cavity is not insulated), it will get to around 2-3 degrees hotter inside than it is outside, if no climate control is used.

The advantage on a sunny winter day, is that it can be 10 degrees outside, and 17 inside if we're lucky :) (but of course that heat vanishes the moment the sun goes behind the trees.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hotter inside than outside must be a nightmare especially to sleep.
I manage to keep temperature around 23/24 during summer and exceptionality 26/27 during heat wave. But I don't have AC.

It's a bit more difficult on winter when the max temperature of the day is 1-2 degrees and there is no sun. Radiators need work frequently to keep 18 degrees.
I wish we would have more sunny winter days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm curious, what is the construction of an average 70s home in your region?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Traditional houses from the 70s are usually a basement and the house upstairs.
Basement is often half or totally underground.
Then the wall are made with cinder blocks, empty air and bricks.
There is chimney (not sure the term in English), so you can heat with wood, but most of the time there is central heating with Gaz or Fuel to replace or in complement.

How is it in your country ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How interesting - the bricks and blocks would act as quite a good heat mass to sort of, smooth out the temperature? (And chimney is the word we use also πŸ˜†)

Our cottage is built up on hardwood stumps, with a hard oak frame, and asbestos sheet cladding, both inside and out. The roof is almost flat, just a 2 degree incline, with corrugated iron sheets from end to end. Cheap and hollow πŸ˜€ hahaha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hahaha yeah, but in winter the walls can get really cold. In summer it keep the house cool.
Oh wood is known to be a good natural insulation!
Flat roof? It's rarely raining? You never have violent rain?
So it's a construction in wood from the 50s? Wow. Does it age well? Does it require a lot of maintenance?
I'm wondering about asbestos from the 50s, here if it's starting to crumble it's extremely expensive to get rid of it.

Here roof is around 40-45 degree incline, and composed of oak frame also. And no asbestos I tried to avoid that at all cost. It was used a lot in the 70s and early 80s.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The flat roof doesn't suffer water ingress during heavy/violent rain, only because it is a single sheet from end-to-end. This means if water flows backwards, it doesn't go under another sheet, or under any flashings.

The asbestos, fortunately, is in good condition. The advantages: will not burn, does not rot or absorb moisture. It makes modifications a little more time consuming (adding power points, etc), because I have to do a lot of preparation and wear the right PPE, but otherwise it's not a hassle to live with.

To give you an idea of cost, we paid AUD$1100 to have four panels (two inside, two outside) removed + disposed, and replaced with modern cement sheet. (Reason for removal, was so that a split-system aircon unit could be installed on that wall. Removing the asbestos first, meant that the electrician and aircon trades wouldn't have to cut asbestos.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I see! Some new house have flat root here, but I never really checked how it was done.
It's a bit like pool's floor.

I read that to get rid of asbestos it's a pain here, there are many rules.
If you want to do it yourself you have to ask authorities for permission. You are allowed to do it only on cement blocks.
A diagnosis is mandatory before any work on it, which will decide if you can do a part of the work alone or not.

Yeah you need to be careful working around asbestos, especially if you need to drill or anything that would make particles.

That was interesting, thanks for the conversation πŸ™‚

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you also, and welcome to Lemmy! :)

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