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[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happen next is we move on to this better platform

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

Absolutely, even without all the reddit drama a decentralised version clearly seems to be the smartest way to go. Reddit is it's community and I think the ceo lost sight of that.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Many subs are already opening up again sadly.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It still looks pretty bad (in a good way): https://reddark.untone.uk/

Almost 7,000 subs private, including many of the biggest ones. This is by no means letting up.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

It will be interesting to see where things stand in a few days and whether it’s causing ongoing pain to Reddit. I doubt they will comment until and if there’s a risk of ongoing, widespread blackouts.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

True but I see the number of closed subreddits getting lower each time I look at that page.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think a lot of them are either going to be support subs (like stopdrinking), or they will be subs asking their users what they should do.
The modcoord subreddit is full of support for continued protest

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Yep, we opened up, polled the users, got told to keep it closed, and down went the shutters.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see major subs like /r/gaming, /r/todayilearned/, /r/space opening up but they're not asking their users what to do :(

Between this comment and my last at least 25 subs have opened up again. Even while typing this one opened up.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Huh? Last I checked r/gaming was asking for user feedback on whether they should remain closed and the comments look like a resounding "yes".

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (14 children)

The subs going dark should have only been half of the protest. Users should have also stayed away from the site but I don't think that was really coordinated.

The number of new posts didn't drop much, the comments dropped a bit more but only by like 20%, which isn't a lot given the amount of subs that went dark. Reddit doesn't care about subs, they care about users and it seems engagement was still pretty high.

The next protest should be to all users to stop using the site. Drop the users and they'll start to listen.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Before asking people to leave, subs creator should create similar communities on Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. A long term blackout, especially a user blackout, is not feasible without a replacement place to go to.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried to do my part and heavily restricted my visits to the site. I checked the state of my feed and user profiles a select few times but always left almost immediately.

I even redirected my reddit browser bookmark to a local website which acted as a warning wall, just to stop me from my subconsciously opening and browsing the site.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Reddit admins are starting to boot mods and force open subs. Total desperation move

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The real sub closings and mass exodus from Reddit will most likely begin after the end of the month, when significant and popular 3rd party apps like Sync and Apollo will be shut down.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I deleted RIF on Monday and went to Reddit today via mobile and it was such a pain in the ass as soon as I shut it off I instinctively hit the Jerboa icon (I intentionally put it where RIF was on my homescreen).

Also the Jerboa app is getting better almost daily.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read that the Sync app was being shut down at the end of the month, then the blackouts started and I just thought Fuck it and set Sync to 0 minutes screen time on my phone while I set up Lemmy. I'm liking it so far just needs more users

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact”

So two-day revenue change is his preferred metric? If I were a Reddit investor, I wouldn't want this guy as a CEO...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Two days ago they were, as of his words "not profiting", and suddenly a blackout doesn't affect them? What a clown.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, there won’t be a mass exodus and Reddit will live on. I’m sure a bunch of users will flock to other platforms but in the long run Reddit only care about people that are already using their new UI and their new app. And those users won’t be leaving.

Regardless whether Reddit survives or not I am glad I found this space and excited for the future of Lemmy/Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The 90-9-1 rule of internet communities applies though. If you're unfamiliar:

90% of people lurk, 9% interact, and 1% create content. Reddit has an additional 0.1% snuck in there of people who moderate.

If you're in that smaller echelon of users who interact or submit/create content, you're more than likely a user who these api changes affect. So the 90% doesn't really matter in the long run if you have no content, and the content that does come in is poorly moderated or not modded at all.

This kills the reddit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm almost always a lurker but I have abandoned Reddit on principal and come here. I've replaced the infinity app on my homescreen with Beehaw and It gives me my reddit fix. I'm more likely to comment here too, since It doesn't feel pointless due to the size of most subreddits.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I definitely agree with that rule.

I have several friends that work at Reddit and from what I gather they ran all the numbers and determined that most mods use old.reddit and not 3P apps. So Reddit did their calculations and they have determined they will make more money in the long run by steering people to their new app. They know Reddit drama always seems bigger than it is and will blow over in a month. They know they will lose some users but they think the majority will stay, including mods and content creators.

I definitely understand why they made all these decisions from a business perspective but holy shit was this poorly handled by Spez. I think they could've given developers a longer shutdown period and they could've handled PR way better + the whole Christian (Apollo) debacle also didn't help.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think reddit is going to die (if only due to the process of enshittification and the consequences of going public) but the idea of a mass exodus is a bit of a dream. Anyone who has had a conversation going on in one channel, and then have a mod tell them to move it to a more appropriate channel should know this. The conversation doesn't move, it just stops 9/10 times.

But we shouldn't be preoccupied with reddit as a community. Give what you can to Lemmy and enjoy it for what it is, not wishing it to be reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want to nitpick, but I used the default reddit app and have switched Lemmy based on principal. I don't think most or even many people are like me, but there are a few of us out there that just don't like supporting companies that clearly don't have users interests in mind, and this has been the wakeup call needed to get us off the platform.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think the real test will be when these API rules go into effect at the end of the month. Will all these people who showed solidarity the last two days leave the site then, or will they just quietly download the official app and continue on?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Rome wasn’t built in a day. But people forget that it also didn’t collapse in a day.

Reddit higher ups have shown their hand. Will this end reddit? Not in the short term I think, but I believe whatever reddit will be in a year or two will be very different from what reddit was up until now

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is not the end of reddit. It is just a hiccup for them as they go public. But the protests was a good opportunity for folks to learn about alternatives. I certainly didn't know alternatives existed. I'm glad to have found fediverse. I fully support the idea and want to see it grow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It may not “end” Reddit but I do think this will end Reddit as we know it. It will just be a shell of itself just like Facebook is no longer a place for college friends to connect and share photos.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd love to turn the subreddit into a mere front to funnle new people onto lemmy or another community forum but I doubt the average user would enjoy that very much 😅 I think we will put it up to a vote, we also did one to determin if we should join the protest in the first place

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113

I think once these two issues are solved, the average user really isn't going to have any problem with lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In case you want to go that route: I made a bot that posts links to posts in a list of lemmy communities to a subreddit, optionally with flair and a comment of what is going on, to be run in a fully restricted subreddit (i.e., no comments show up at all, new posts need to be made via lemmy)

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

No mention of alternatives in the article :(

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I may be missing something, but the article completely loses the thread when it starts grousing over "why won't the 3Ps pay up? " Because even if they pay, NSFW content is still not available for users. Reddit is attempting to force third party devs to charge for an inferior product, which is obviously untenable for all parties.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, the Verge’s coverage has been much better on this subject. It isn’t about not paying for use, it’s about a reasonable price that isn’t so exorbitant to essentially bankrupt them and make them go away. Christian has addressed this point several times already.

Regardless of whether or not anything serious happens to Reddit, it’s just not the same for me anymore and I won’t be going back. I can see the vibe and audience further shifting ala Twitter. It’s too big to just fail, Digg, MySpace and other older sites still exist, they’re just shadows of themselves now.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately Reddit is almost too big at this point to fail. The fact that official communities exist over there is enough to keep them afloat. But Reddit as we all knew it is dead. I was always worried about Reddit going public effecting it’s quality, and the staff have only confirmed my fears. Luckily Reddit offers nothing anyone else can do, and jumping ship to a competitor had never been easier.

Long live the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tough to disagree, hopefully long term users decide to gtfo before it gets even worse.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This site has a graph that shows how many subs are private: https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/

I find it a good way to see how the situation is evolving as a whole.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I feel like most will just stay but it will never feel the same. As for what could possibly replace it, at least for me, it has been a conglomoration of different things serving different purposes. Lemmy is good for seeing discussion, RSS for my own personal link aggregation, and then the occasional browsing of something like Mastodon which just hits a bit different personally. Those together have more or less quenched my desire for reddit for anything except hitting it on Google Search results.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nothing will ever feel the same. It's an illusion to think that one platform will ever 'replace' another. In my 20+ years of being online (oh God), that has never happened. Platforms will eventually fade away or become unbearable, but the void will be filled by many other niche platforms. Google+ didn't succeed because it aimed to replace Facebook. Now it's WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, it's BeReal, it's Instagram, it's TikTok. My guess is that it will be Lemmy for the nerds, Reddit for what "they" think it's for (when I look at "new" Reddit — something like 9gag), and other platforms for what I can't think of yet. However, the Fediverse certainly reminds me of the internet as it was about 15 years ago when it focused on open protocols and similar aspects. XMPP comes to mind. I am filled with joy when experiencing the freedom and prospect of an Internet without dependency on but commercial companies again.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember back at Digg and MySpace. Same vibe.

"This will blow over."

It always blows over until it doesn't. Only take once.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It’s funny how these social companies get huge and think they are irreplaceable… when all of them started as a replacement for something else.

Once you think you’re too big to fail? That’s when ya trip.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I replaced all my comments with garbage and deleted my account

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Steve Huffman (more like Steve Huffspaint) should resign as CEO of Reddit.

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