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Okay, which one of you Java devs did this (lemmy.ml)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (4 children)

There should be a language called Cod. And coding could be Coding. Cute little fish mascot too.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I would always pronounce it Codding if this were real

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

Code snippets are “filets.”

[–] xmunk 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Too late, valve wrote the source engine over a decade ago and I'm still mad.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

"source code"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

There is Coq

[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago (4 children)

IDEA isn't Java-only. Most of the other languages are available as plugins. IDEA is typically the go-to IDE for multilanguage projects.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Except .NET then you can use Rider which is pretty much IDEA but with added support for .NET, which makes it.. better..? Not sure.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Most of their products are like that. There are a lot of specific language support features in each one that may become available as plugins later on but not at the same pace or “fullness” as the specific product itself.

For example, PHPStorm has good JavaScript support but if you want really good Typescript support you should probably go with Webstorm.

Alternatively, I can totally write Rust code in Webstorm through the Rust plugin but I’m better off using CLion that has better support (or now RustRover which will be where all the latest Rust support features are added, although it’s still a preview product afaik).

Also worth noting though that there are indeed some “tiers”. Like Webstorm won’t support PHP but PHPStorm will support JavaScript/Typescript (again, not fully but enough to maintain a front end operating off your PHP backend)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

clion is also strictly separated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This. I use IntelliJ for Java, Kotlin, typescript, Python, HTML etc… it just does everything and does it better than other IDEs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Or available in the paid version

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I prefer phpstorm for multi language personally.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

as a python programmer.....^yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

There's a big difference between IntelliJ and PyCharm.

IntelliJ is a Java IDE written in Java by people who are used to how Java works.

PyCharm is a Python IDE written in Java by people who are used to how Java works.

One of them is good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

JetBrains IDE's summarized: Meme

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe I'm a dumb chicken, is it similar to apk 😂 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, an IDE for coding, as opposed to all those other things there are IDEs for

[+] IdiosyncraticIdiot -62 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Python is a virus

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'll bite, which programming language should people use instead of Python?

[–] xmunk 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Well, obviously, we should all exclusively program in Haskell.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

reject high level programming and reurn to assembly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I would say Erlang but hey if you are in a Haskell mood then by all means.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Except for the parts where you need something like Rust, that would be an improvement.

[+] [email protected] -37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Python is considered a programming language? I still classify it as scripting lol

That said, i'd personally use good old c/c++ or even c#/.net over python lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes Python is definitely a programming language, I write in C/C++/C#/Python/Bash each language has its areas where they are best.

I prefer Python for DevOps related code and writing smaller programs/tools. You just get so much handed to you with Python's toolbox, it just makes things easier, you can use it as a scripting language or write a modular object oriented program.

I use C/C++ when performance matters and I want things to be Done right TM, and make sure to use all the help the compilers and static code checkers can give.

[–] xmunk 13 points 9 months ago

Bash is a programming language... honestly it's like rectangles and squares - all scripting languages are programming languages but not all programming languages are flexible enough to be commonly considered scripting languages.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Python is a scripting language, but it's generally called a programming language, because there are no key differences in their features or workings. Just as C# and Java, Python is first compiled to .pyc files and then executed with a special program, eg. Mono for C#, OpenJRE for the second and just python for the latter, except for Python it's more hidden. C# supports Classes, Python does, but C does not (officially) ... so wouldn't C be less of a programming language then?
In the end, scripting languages are just defined as one by being easier and faster to run by all/most implementations as the "gcc main.c" and "./a.out" method of "real" programming languages, by just using "python main.py" or "node main.js" for your program. Therefore, they can be changed on the fly and added to another script.
What IS generally called a scripting language is eg. Bash, as it's not compiled, supports few features and is not that cross compatible (except maybe with eg. WSL).

I'm a huge C/C++ fan, but some tasks just aren't suitable for them. Parsing HTML/XML in C++? It's possible, but a pain in the ass. I know it, I did it. Having parsed plans, tables and xml responses in C++, I can tell you Python is more suited for this job. The extra few milliseconds you save aren't worth the hassle of verbose exception handling, non standard libraries which need different systems to stay up to date (some don't support your make system of choice) and harder integrated extension support (you can't just throw in a .py script for support of other providers, but need to explicitly integrate eg. lua support), especially if the bottleneck is not your code, with ~10 ms runtime, but some random ass server with ~100 ms ping.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

C# “compiles” to intermediary bytecode, then ran in a vm. Same as Java. I’d say that’s no better than a “scripting” language with a JIT.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wouldnt say a vm (as there is no emulated hardware layer around the running code ) , but sure you made a valid point actually!