At least they have the decency to tell you they are doing it.
In the US it took Snowden to leak this to the public that the government has been doing it for ages behind their backs.
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The US federal government has been doing this since the 00's. Snowden exposed them and the public responded with hatred towards Snowden. Unfortunately the average citizen just doesn't seem to care.
I don’t think the majority of people KNOW what Snowden was even trying to tell them. I remember when this came out and the news media was clutching their pearls over the act of leaking information rather than discussing the contents. I’m still learning about what was contained in those leaks to this day. It is so heavily propagandized that we need a new word for it.
Now those same people are saying it's no big deal that Donnie kept all the no-no papers.
Not public, propaganda. The public result was confusion and ultimately apathy.
Mostly boomers who don't understand tech
That’s an erroneous understanding of our era. The younger generations are gods at liking and commenting on social networks, but they just don’t care about privacy. They flock like birds to litteral spyware just for a quick meme fix.
Not everything you think is wrong has to do exclusively with boomers.
France, yall okay with this?
I'd say this is worth another riot.
I can't even reconize my country values for the past few months and yet it's only the beginning for the current government, we still have 4 years to go with Macron. Who knows what ideas they hold for the future.
Preach. The shitshow is only getting started.
That's a good reason to riot.
How is this even feasible on Android or iPhones? Are they going to force everyone to download Team Viewer or something?
Everyone causally saying the government can just do it with Pegasus is ignoring the fact that Pegasus itself is an exploit. It is a hack, to breach your personal device. If I used the same methods to get into a bank’s systems it would be a violation of the law. Same if I created this software and gave it to you for the same purpose. Ask yourselves why it would be permissible to sell this software then commercially? And, why is it permissible for the government to use it to hack your own devices. Let’s not just brush over this discussion like it’s nothing.
Nobody ignores the fact that government is doing something illegal when the conversation about their rampant spying happens. You may just be late to the party. We all know it's illegal, unethical, and immoral. It basically comes down to this:
What are you going to do about it?
We're living in objectively dystopian times. Our government does illegal shit literally all the time and gets away with it.
What are you going to do about it?
The very least people can do is talk about it and acknowledge it's bad.
Acceptance and normalization support the other side.
My generation has talked it to death. It's pretty agreed upon that we're being fucked and have very little power to stop it. Eventually you don't have time to rehash all the heinous shit that happens because you realize there's a constant deluge of it. Has nothing to do with "supporting the other side" lol. If reality has got you feeling insane, well, you're on the right track.
We have everything we need to stop it, we’re just spun and poorly organized (by design).
(by design)
Bingo.
While this news article is, apparently, not trustworthy, in general, France could demand every phone sold in the country include some kind of spyware. Many sellers already add a lot of programs by default anyway, so this would be how I image it might be implemented.
Given that 7 people were recently arrested for using privacy respecting tools like the Signal messenger and Protonmail, removing that bloatware/spyware might then be cause enough to arrest you. After all, only terrorists want to have privacy, right?
Usually with Pegasus. And yes it works. Don't ask about it.
Wonder if Google, Apple, or SoC makera are asked or secretly mandated to leave certain backdoors in. I know mobile providers have quite a bit they can see on their end.
It's a good thing we're always presented with two choices for everything, like mobile OS's, to control our choices like we're toddlers.
They don't really need to, the company making Pegasus is very very skilled, they however get paid for that as well, its absolutely not worth it for a normal person usually.
There is so much news like this coming from France lately. What is going on over there?
Huge wealth gap. Poor people are treated like shit. They're are hungry and angry. Historically, the French are quick to protest and the rich are doing what they can to stop it. I believe we're getting a glimpse of what is going to happen all over the world soon.
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This article doesn't link to a single primary source.
The road to fascist hell is paved with liberal good intentions
The whole world is going to shit
This has been my view for quite a while.
The oppression will continue until revolt stops!
Things didn’t go very well for Ceaușescu, so I’m sure Macron won’t repeat any of the same screwups.
A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".
Not fake. Just not really talked about in English, but it was mentioned in most French newspapers.
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Guess degoogled phones with custom OSes will soon be illegal then?
Wasn't a guy convicted on france not long ago and the deciding factor the judge used was because he used linux? WTF is going on there?
Modern hardware is likely exploitable by state actors via firmware/hardware vulnerabilities that can't be mitigated at a software level.
Ya just look at the Intel management engine. Or the AMD platform security processor. Lot of spooky shit like secret op-codes.
We need more open source HW.
Linux and encrypted messengers too lol
If you don't share dick pic you sent to your partner with the spooks... You go to the gulag labour camp until you redeem yourself.
at least they're honest about it
i'd imagine they have the same ability here in the states they're just gonna advertise the fact
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Better to not bring your phone during protests anyways.
There is something to be said for bringing your phone to protests so you can livestream them to the world when the authorities use heavy-handed, violent tactics to stop them.
In all honesty, it would probably be best to have a dedicated device for that situation as well so that if they choose to search it then all they will get is the footage from the event.
Edut: Didn't scroll down to see you suggested the same thing!
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I would suggest getting one of those faraday bags that block the signals to/from the phone. Then, if you really need it, you can still use it.
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I mean how are they really going to stop FOSS? They'll ban linux and then nobody can use the internet.
They don’t care about us. We sometimes forget we techies are a tiny fraction of the people they want under their boot.
If they can’t hack you they’ll get you other ways, if they want you.
Take solace that people in France and the USA aren’t falling out of windows every other day. Yet.
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