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This has come to mind because all the chatter about Meta federating.

I see a lot of people saying they'd love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.

I truly don't get this.

I'm not here for mass-produced content, if I wanted that, I'd be in other platforms. The beauty of these communities is they are not filled with posts that are all the same, algorithms and bots. It's just a community of real people having conversations.

If you want mass-produced trendy content, please, consume it elsewhere, and when you are inevitably fed up, then come here and enjoy the slow-paced, real community.

PD: I hope this doesn't come across as wall-keeping (or however it's said lol), It's my honest opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"can't wait for all that meta content"

the content: someones racist uncle yelling at you in the comments

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't want a Meta account, but I want to communicate with the billions of people who do, including all of my family and friends.

But that is the power of the Fediverse. There is room for both small isolated instances as well as those that are part the larger "main" network, and everything in-between.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Putting my tinfoil hat: Would Meta be capable of having people in the Fediverse posting positively about Meta joining the Fediverse? Because anyone with 2 braincells and that has arrived here so far and gone through the trouble of understanding +- what this is about, set up an account etc, would understand by now the way the world works and why its such a bad idea to have Meta have a foot in the door here.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I see a lot of people saying they’d love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.

And that right there is why you see the expression "Embrace, Extend & Extinguish" thrown around a lot lately. This is exactly what companies have done to demolish competition in the past.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

… there are too many Reddit posts on here. I wish lemmy could have its own content and vibe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean most of the "Reddit content" on Lemmy is thing that get posted to Reddit from other sites anyway. I don't think the reddit vibe has existed except the same tired comments for a long time now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

it's literally screen shots of reddit. it's weird to be on another platform, but still look at reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What will stop the bots? Were literally on a platform because the other one cut off moderation bots…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bots are necessary. But having moderation bots and other useful ones like the one for reminders is one thing, and another one is bots posting spam 100 times a day.

How to stop it? No idea

Edit: typo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You don't want this - that's fine, you can just block the instances you'd like to avoid, that's one of the best features of the fediverse. But if someone else would like to see this content, why not give them such option? Why would you want to decide for the others? Let them make this decision.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hasn't every form of social media done this though? It's on the users to collectively shape the culture of a site as a whole. For example Hacker news manages to maintain its ultra nerdy niche through the years, because the users keep it that way.

For years I've had two separate Reddit bookmarks on my toolbar, one for r/all and one for my homepage, because for me those were two completely different experiences. Reddit has both shitposting galore, and also (had?) r/AskHistorians. It managed to be both, and Lemmy can do that too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I would guess it’s because this is supposed to be an open standard. Anyone should be allowed to use it.

Imagine if gmail users could only email other gmail users. If email servers didn’t all talk to each other. This is similar.

If Threads uses ActivityPub then it should be available.

But I completely get the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish fear.

Edit: I guess thread is more suited to mastodon, not Lemmy, but same argument

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can't do the embrace, extend, extinguish on the Fediverse because you can defederate and exclude servers you don't want to see. No one can control the Fediverse. It's like saying they'll embrace, extend, extinguish email providers. It's just content from a different source that you don't have to view if you don't want to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gmail blocks a ton of smaller email services for generating spam / scams / malicious activity, just because a protocol is open doesn't mean it has to tolerate problematic content.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you compare Fediverse to email, the analogy would be blocking spam. You would not expect to have a healthy inbox if didn't block spam, would you?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like I understand both, though what I miss isn't the mass produced content, its how much more viable small communities were on reddit. The big communities here on lemmy are way better than the ones on reddit (which universally sucked) but most of the communities I wanted to engage with regularly are kinda niche. Its a double edged sword, but I do think the community feel here is so much nicer, even if it comes at the expense of small communities being absent, or less active

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah same. Mixed feelings about all of this

Like you said, big communities here have been pretty great, but the smaller communities I frequent on Reddit (Talking about genshin and Honkai subreddit which aren’t event small) are pretty dead here.

I talk a lot about the casual community of Reddit and how I wish Lemmy could attract those users. I see Meta as a way for this casual community to come here, but then again, Meta is bleh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Whilst I completely agree that having deals with company such as facebook is not a good idea, currently we have a lack of content.

I fully understand you don't want content by bots and similar rubbish. I don't want that, too.

However, reddit was a good place for news and information. E.g. when I needed some tech support, probably someone on reddit already had a similar problem or I could ask and almost any relevant subreddit was spectated by some competent people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Because the actual good content is on those networks

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