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Palestinian health officials released a 212-page list identifying 6,747 people killed by Israeli attacks.


In a pointed riposte to U.S. President Joe Biden — who said he has “no confidence” in Gaza casualty figures provided by Hamas, Palestinian health officials on Thursday released a 212-page list identifying 6,747 people killed by Israeli air and artillery attacks on the besieged enclave since October 7.

The Gaza Health Ministry published the names, ages, genders, and civil identification numbers of 6,747 Palestinian victims of Israeli attacks, including 2,665 children. The list is in Arabic, with an English version said to be forthcoming.

Another 281 people, 248 of them children, could not be identified. In order to improve chances of identification should their children be dismembered by Israeli bombardment, some Gaza parents and guardians have taken to writing children’s names on their hands and legs.

All told, 7,028 Palestinians — including 2,913 children — have been killed in Gaza since Israel declared war in the wake of the Hamas-led infiltration attacks that left more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and soldiers dead on and after October 7.

More than 17,000 Palestinians have been injured in Israeli attacks, nearly half the homes in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, and over 1.4 million people have been displaced.

Israeli soldiers and settlers have also killed more than 100 Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since October 7, while nearly 2,000 others have been wounded there. The Gaza Health Ministry said in a statement that it was releasing the list “so that the world knows that behind every number is the story of a person whose name and identity are known.”

“Our people are not nobodies who can be ignored,” the agency stressed.

“At a time when our people are waiting for urgent international intervention to stop the genocidal war being carried out by the Israeli occupier against all civilian components including health and media personnel… more than 2 million people living in the Gaza Strip are exposed to the ugliest types of systematic killing and brutal massacres,” the statement continued.

The ministry accused the Biden administration of accepting all of the Israeli government’s claims “without any verification or scrutiny” and “devoid of all… morals and basic human rights values that it sings about.”

On Wednesday, Biden — who earlier this month declared his “rock-solid and unwavering” commitment to Israel — said during a White House press conference that he was “sure innocents have been killed, and it’s the price of waging a war.” “But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,” the president added.

Some critics condemned Biden’s stance as “genocide denial.” However, the administration doubled down on its claim as White House Spokesperson John Kirby said during a Thursday press briefing that “the Gaza Ministry of Health is just a front for Hamas.” “We can’t take anything coming out of Hamas, including the so-called Ministry of Health, at face value,” Kirby added.

Some observers noted that the Biden administration cited Gaza Ministry of Health casualty figures as recently as last year in a State Department human rights report.

IfNotNow, a Jewish-led U.S. peace group, called the Gaza victims list “catastrophic” and “devastating.”

“President Biden publicly undermining the Gaza death toll is dangerous and wrong,” the group said. “Questioning death tolls directly dehumanizes Palestinians. It’s a key part of genocide denial. Israel is murdering Palestinians. By minimizing this, the U.S. is laying the groundwork for more death.”

Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, told The New York Times that the arguing over the number of dead in Gaza is akin to not seeing the forest for the trees. “As the debate focuses on death tolls, the bodies continue to pile up,” Shakir said. “Our focus should be on how to prevent further mass atrocities, instead of debating whether or not the number is exactly accurate or not.”

“We know that Palestinians are being killed in unprecedentedly high numbers,” he said, “and that needs to end.”

link: https://truthout.org/articles/officials-id-nearly-7k-killed-in-gaza-as-biden-doubles-down-on-genocide-denial/

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Genocide Joe. How could I possibly support him or really most any American politician after this? They are so vile.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Price of waging war..."

Indiscriminate bombardment of civilians is not "war" Joe, it's fucking terrorism and genocide.

"But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,”

Of course! Indiscriminately shelling a densely populated civilian population for weeks surely couldn't add up to such numbers! Let's just split the difference and call it two or three.

Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization, but Israel is a terrorist state. Civilians are caught in the middle because we allow the terror to continue.

Do NOT apologize for mass murder and coordinated, deliberate terror.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"Price of waging war..."

Indiscriminate bombardment of civilians is not "war" Joe, it's fucking > terrorism and genocide.

Also the fact that Palestine didn't wage war on Israel, Hamas did.

It's like if America indiscriminately bombed and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq instead of just the Taliban... Oh wait...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Stupid is as stupid does.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

And ISIS was created out of that mess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah. Yeah... 🤦🤦🤦🤦

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Lol@ 'any American politician'. 'Any American politician' is a candidate to rule literally on top of the graves of the Native Americans' their ancestors genocided...

Truly the US is Israel in it's final form. Which explains all the excusing you see

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I will not vote for genocide denial.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well, unfortunately it seems your choices will be genocide denial or genocide enthusiastic endorsement. Anything else is a statistically almost impossible.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It costs nothing to play and you might be able to avert the worst outcome.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I voted for Biden to stop fascism and now a genocide is happening. What was the fucking point?

As I said below, the only vote I could cast that would possibly matter is public suicide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That genocide (it's really more of an ethnic cleansing) has been going on for decades and Joe's been pressuring Israel to tone it down. It's not enough but there's too much public support in the US for Israel. There would be serious political consequences for him and his party if he pushed for much more than that. Hell most of his party wouldn't even support him if he went much further.

Also not having fascism is a pretty big deal in my book.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The public support for Israel comes from political leaders like Biden giving them unconditional support. He isn't "pressuring" them because there's absolutely no limit to his support for Israel. Pressure requires some threat of action against them and the US would never do anything like that.

Though you're right that his Party would revolt if he actually tried applying real pressure on Israel (as opposed to pure rhetoric) but that's just proof his Party also supports genocide.

And yes, it's genocide. Look at the definition. "Ethnic cleansing" is just a euphemism that implies Palestinians are filth that need to be cleaned. Call genocide, genocide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Democracy is about compromise. Only dictators get their way every time. Vote for the best realistic option and if you're not satisfied with that then find additional ways to push for change. Protest, organize, make a podcast...

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago

The rich get their way all the time.

What democracy?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Israelis to Palestinians "move south out of the combat zone". This serves two functions... 1) it allows for Israel to slaughter the displaced people easier and 2) doesn't scatter unexploded ordinance all over the land the Israelis want to steal from the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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