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A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How do they define "antisemitic acts"? There have been widespread protests in support of Palestinian civilians, which goes against a ban in place since the attack by Hamas. Are they going to use vague definitions to revoke citizenship for people protesting against the genocide of Palestinians?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Nazi icons/clothing/symbols are outright banned. It's not unspecific.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you make that? Good job.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

...but if you're an outright Nazi, German intelligence might have a job for you.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Already the case. To gain citizenship you generally have to have a clear criminal record, with the exception of youth offences, fines up to 90 days, and prison up to 3 month if it was on probation, unless the motive was antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, or otherwise contemptuous of humanity.

If they want to extend it to "has done something like that that wasn't illegal" then they're going to have a hard time before court as it would amount to immigration officials infringing on prerogatives of the judicature.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How are they going to detect that, a "yes/no" question?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per the article, past convictions.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a quite simple line in Germany: Don't be violent and don't shout things like "gas the Jews" and you can protest. And thousands did in quite a number of cities on quite a number of days. Get out of your filter bubble.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Yeah, the law this vague is purposely designed to be abused by the government. German police are already trying Nazi tactics at this point. The pro Palestinian rally at Frankfurt, they literally isolated young people with Palestinian flags, took pictures of people and their ID cards, and suddenly these people now have started getting problems in their schools,universities and jobs, even when they never shared anything political themselves. Germany and Fascism is a story for the ages.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (15 children)

That sounds really extreme. Do you have a reliable source for that?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why not make that hate crimes in general?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minister Faeser also makes it clear: "Racism, anti-Semitism or any other form of misanthropy stand in the way of naturalization - there is zero tolerance." A clear commitment to the values of a free society should therefore be a prerequisite for naturalization. Anyone who does not share values such as the dignity and equality of all people and the equal rights of men and women, or who even acts against them, may not become a German.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

But that's already in the law. Unless the idea is to throw the Rechtsstaat out of the window and remove the requirement that people have the right to a fair trial.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Because that's already in the law:

Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.

This is 100% performative bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.

💀💀💀💀💀

Wild times.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.

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