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Two of my coworkers frequently mention shows like "Encounters" or "Ancient apocalypse" or whatever. I'm not the best at debating or forming arguments against these though I do feel strongly that bold claims require better evidence than a blurry photo and an eyewitness account. How do you all go about this?

Today I clumsily stumbled through conversation and said "I'll need some evidence" and was hit with "there's plenty of evidence in the episode 'Lights over Fukushima'". I didn't have an answer because I haven't watched it. I'm 99% sure that if I watch it it's gonna be dramatized, designed to scare/freak you out a little and consist of eyewitness accounts and blurry photos set to eerie music. But I'm afraid I just sound like a haughty know-it-all if I do assert this before watching.

These are good people and I want to remain on good terms and not come across as a cynical asshole.

(Sorry if language is too formal or stilted. Not my native tongue)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

@SpaceAce this is firmly in the "I could teach you, but I'd have to charge" category. You're not their mother or their teacher so if they want to believe nonsense then let them.

There are some documentaries debunking Ancient Aliens though.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Jason Colavito does the hard work so you don't have to. There's such a firehose of claims that it is almost possible to keep up with it all unless you are a fan. Colavito does a good job of keeping on the various series and pointing out the problems.

If you wanted to engage with people who are promoting this kind of thing you could try and engage on a more meta level rather than slog through each claim. They often rely on the argument from disbelief: I can't believe the ancients were capable of this, therefore it was aliens. Or you could point out that not believing ancient people were capable of building some monument and had to rely on aliens of Atlanteans is a bit racist. However, be warned, you'll soon be considered the Fun Police and you are better off letting it slide unless someone won't stop banging on about it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Wow. Three hours ๐Ÿ˜…. Not before bed lmao

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm a skeptic at heart, but it's fun and ultimately harmless to pretend or even vehemently believe that aliens exist and have visited earth. In my opinion there's no reason to shut them down or try to prove them wrong. Of course unless they're taking it to a degree in which it's likely to harm others.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

If nobody challenges them on the harmless stupidity it will fester into greater ignorance they feel entitled to perpetuate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The thing is that other than the odd true believer, most people who watch these things are not interested in engaging in an intellectual debate about them. It's essentially a diversion and light entertainment.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Set phasers to full power!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You might be taking some friendly debate as more sinister than it is. It's okay to tell them you straight up don't believe and need some better evidence than a show on Netflix. When they tell you to watch it, ask them to sum it up for you, and go from there.

You can laugh at the absurdity without being mean-spirited. Most people who get hooked into that stuff don't really believe, they like the "but what if?" Aspect of it.

[โ€“] JohnDClay 2 points 10 months ago

I don't actually recommend this, but it could be fun to play the conspiracies off each other.

The 'controlled demolition' theory was concocted by the government to distract us. 'It was an inside job' was an inside job!

[โ€“] MomoTimeToDie 1 points 10 months ago

Don't. It's a massive dick move to get up in people's business because you don't like the TV shows they watch.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Why do you feel the need to "deal with it"?

You can express your opinion without pushing it on others or trying to convince them. Is this a mystery to the social media generation?

[โ€“] JohnDClay 1 points 10 months ago

I haven't seen those shows, but do they mention the pyramids? If so, you might point them to good research on how they were made. I think that's a whole lot more interesting than just throwing up your hands and claiming alien intervention.

This guy is doing really great analysis of the casing stones to find which order they were laid in. https://youtu.be/43V9RTpnxbk

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